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7SEES: Exposing Truthers & Technocracy Agenda- Flynn, QAnon, Rogan, Snowden, Assange & the Great Reset!

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On today’s episode of the Occult Symbolism and Pop Culture with Isaac Weishaupt podcast we are joined with a red-hot special guest: 7SEES! He’s been exposing data maps of your favorite truthers and their possible connections to the Technocracy agenda! We’ll talk about the Michael Flynn network, Q Anon, Trevor Fitzgibbon, The Wellness Company, Coulson Capital, Zelenko Labs, 1775 Coffee and a TON of your favorite truthers possible place in the web of connections to Peter Thiel, Palantir and the World Economic Forum’s New World Order! We’ll discuss theories about potentially phony whistleblowers like Julian Assange and Edward Snowden being part of the agenda, the Seth Rich conspiracy, as well as Infowars drama, Alex Jones’ Sandy Hook ordeal being part of a deception & Joe Rogan being a plant! We’ll hear about the end game for humanity to get us onto the Great Reset blockchain and the big agenda being rolled out through a formula for manufacturing consensus reality!

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[00:00:00] Speaker A: On today’s mind blowing episode, we’re joined by a special guest, Seven
Seas. This researcher drops the hammer today on the data maps connecting your favorite
truthers to the Technocracy. So get ready to question everything because they’re manufacturing
a consensus reality just like any magician would do.
Now today’s show is Man Seven Seas. He’s, he’s hot, he’s red hot on the market. He was on
Tinfoil Hat then Higher side Chats. He’s been all over the place and for good reason because
today he’s joining us and he’s going to talk about how he’s done all this research and compiled
these beautiful data maps of all of these components of the Technocracy agenda. You know the
dark enlightenment stuff we’ve been talking about for weeks and weeks.
Well it gets worse.
Through a bunch of shell companies and reorganized companies, you find that they are
funneling money into your favorite truthers. I know, I know it’s going to be tough. We’re going to
start out talking about the Michael Flynn Network, how it ties into QAnon, this guy named Trevor
Fitzgibbon, the wellness company Colson Capital Z Labs, 1775 Coffee. If you’ve heard of any of
these things, you know, raise a little bit of awareness here, okay, because they have sponsored
a ton of the most famous truthers and political type figures that you’re familiar with.
And he maps it out and there’s this web of connections to Peter Thiel Palantir and the New
World Order, right? The World Economic Forum and the Great Reset, it’s all connected here.
And he floats a various good, a bunch of theories about maybe how Julian Assange and Edward
Snowden, maybe they weren’t really whistleblowers, maybe that was all smoke and mirrors and
part of an agenda as well as the Seth Rich conspiracy. We get into the history of Infowars and
he thoughts a pretty, pretty good debate about Alex Jones and maybe how he isn’t everything he
seems as well as Joe Rogan. I know. Not Joe Rogan. Not Joe Rogan. Yeah, Joe Rogan gets
brought up here and I’m telling you, it’s really got me questioning everything because he, he
pulls it all together and I’ll let him explain and then by the end we’re going to hear about how he
thinks that maybe this Technocracy is the end game for humanity. It’s the Great Reset
blockchain. It’s the big agenda, it’s the one World Order and ultimately it’s about magically
creating and manufacturing a Consensus reality through the sponsorship of a lot of these
companies.
Now, if you’re listening to this show, this is one of those times where I would recommend you
watch the video version. Now, if you want to watch the video version, there’s a couple options. If
you become a supporter of the show, you go to tier 2@patreon.com Illuminati Watcher or the
Illuminati Watcher.com VIP section. Tier 2 accesses the. The early access ad free videos. Right.
So that’s one option. The other option is you can watch it on my YouTube or my rumble or my
Spotify. But I’m going to forewarn you. I don’t drop the video version until maybe about a week
after I release the audio version.
So that’s your options. Or you can just listen to it and then go back and watch it. Because he
takes us on this data map that he’s got that you can also check out the images of the data map
on his Twitter and, and I’ll put the, the link in the show notes for his link tree that, that gets you
onto everything. He’s on Twitter, rumble, YouTube substack. So strap in and get ready because
this one’s going to make you question a lot of things. Let’s go.
Today we’re joined by the red hot rising star of the conspiracy community. He’s been breaking
out all over the Internet, hitting Tinfoil Hat podcast, higher side chats. And the reason I’d get him
on here today is because I see him as a major disruptor, exposing the financial connections
behind all of the biggest names in the Truth or Movement. So today we’re going to have an
honest conversation about what’s really going on behind the scenes of your favorite conspiracy
theorist. It’s the truth or assassin himself, Seven Seas. Welcome to the show, my friend.
[00:04:20] Speaker B: Hey, thanks for having me, brother.
[00:04:22] Speaker A: Yeah, I’ve been, I’ve been absolutely smitten. I’ve been smitten by you,
Seven Seas, because I heard you on Tinfoil Hat for the first time.
I like, like a lot of people. I tell a lot of people. I don’t, I don’t actually consume a ton of podcast
content because I’m generally doing a lot of research. So if, you know, the podcast I consume
are generally whatever I’m researching at the moment, right now, I’m researching a handful of
things.
And to be honest, I don’t know why I clicked on the Seven Seas interview, but I did, and I was
absolutely floored. I thought it was like the, the Most genuine, authentic, interesting conversation
I had heard in the podcast space for a long time.
And I, I was like, I gotta get this guy on here. And then just over the last couple days I listened to
your interview on Higher side Chats and I was like, okay, this is gonna be a good conversation.
So all right. I thought the best place we could maybe start out and because I don’t know who you
are, I just heard the two podcasts. I, I, I sort of went through your rumble page and looked at a
bunch of shows you did and you’re a fascinating person. So if you don’t mind giving US maybe a
10 minute is breakdown of, you know, who is seven SEs in, in the sense of like, you know, what
got you interested in this content? I’d like to know the meaning of that, that alias of 7se as well,
you know, and if you want to talk about any interest of yours, spirituality, political, what got you
into this kind of field of research. I’ll let you sort of take over for a minute here.
[00:05:54] Speaker B: Perfect. Yeah, I’ll say. I, I started out very young. I always had a problem
with authority. Asked my parents, teachers, previous bosses. Right.
I think that’s like a common thread in this like conspiracy sort of movement is I don’t vibe well
with the people that tell me what to do and how to live.
[00:06:13] Speaker A: Same. I got it. I get it.
[00:06:15] Speaker B: Yeah. And, and so, you know, when, when I was younger, I think my like
first exposure to what politics it was either Grand Theft Auto 3 or Vice City came out and I heard
that Hillary Clinton was trying to ban it and I immediately took a permanent position that I’d
always dislike Hillary Clinton. And it’s kind of stuck since then. I was probably nine years old.
But I think that’s a fair, that’s a fair take.
[00:06:41] Speaker A: It’s a fair.
[00:06:43] Speaker B: And I think what really woke me up was watching Zeitgeist in high school.
So I’m sure your audience and stuff knows about that film covering the Federal Reserve 911 and
then kind of the religious aspect with the Abrahamic religions. And from there I, I became kind of
super focused on, you know, politics and I, I was a little bit of a left leaning person at the time
and you know, just sort of going through different things. I hit my like late teens and I started
learning about like the Rothschilds and the international banking cartels and like the, like the
Orsinis and, and families like that. And you know, I, I thought that I kind of had a pretty good
understanding, but it’s Always like when you look back 10 years ago and you thought you knew
everything and what you know now and you’re like, wow, I do nothing.
Once I. Once I hit my 20s, it was just kind of like, you know, life happened. I had to focus on like,
job to job, just kind of paying bills and stuff.
So I kind of fell out of observing politics pretty actively.
And then 2016 happened. I think basically everybody jumped back into politics during that
election.
And, you know, I sort of had like that same surface level understanding. So I was just calling out
things that politicians were doing and not really looking at like funding or the people behind the
scenes. Covid happens and I think that was like the, the big inflection point for myself and a lot
of people.
And with, with COVID obviously a lot of people started researching all of these things and you
know, the Jeffrey Epstein stuff happened, which kind of relevant to right now, five years later.
And it was, it was one of those things where I felt like I kind of knew what was going on.
And then it was.
It was enough for me to understand that there are like, there’s a lot at play. And that, that
problem with authority sort of came back up for me, seeing a lot of people, you know, get
canceled, lose their jobs and things like that. So a couple years ago I walked away from my job
and I wanted to work for myself. I was working at a. It was a social media company and I would.
I didn’t have like a high level position or anything, but enough to, you know, kind of understand,
like the ins and outs, see some code, stuff like that. And I decided to work for myself. And I
became a, like a gaming streamer.
And, you know, I was just trying to like, make some money. I started incorporating slowly my,
like, political aspect of things into it. And then the Butler incident happened.
Right after that, Trump named J.D. vance as his VP.
So I had never heard of J.D. vance. So I started looking into him. And then that was when I first
learned who Peter Thiel was.
And that sort of like blew the door open for everything. And I realized that he was so ingrained
into the political sphere and the financial sphere and that I started creating these webs so I could
just, for me, so I could keep track of everything that he was connected to and all the people
connected to those things.
And after it started to like, build out and get as big as it’s gotten, I was like, I feel like I need to
share this with people because I don’t see a lot of people talking about it.
You know, I saw People like, Like Ian Carroll, who was pushing, like, Donald Trump and J.D.
vance, and I had liked his content up to then, like Blackrock and Epstein and stuff, right? And so
I was like, you need to talk about this Peter Thiel guy.
Did it to a few other influencers as well. When I realized nobody was taking me seriously, I was
like, all right, well, then I have to start telling people about it because I’m tired of people leaving
stuff out or, you know, convenient omission or just straight up contorting the truth, like a lot of
creators are doing.
[00:11:06] Speaker A: Interesting.
So, man, there’s so many places to take this, because with Ian Carroll, I find him to be a very
intriguing character because of his sudden rise to fame.
I. I do think, because I’ve done a whole. I’ve done one or maybe two episodes on Ian Carroll and
some of the questions I have about him. And I recently did a campaign try, because I had
reached out to him, try to get him on my show right when he broke out at the very beginning,
because I was like you. I was. He. I thought he did great work with those videos about who owns
the. The grocery store aisles.
And to me, that seems to be. When we talk about conspiracies, I think that that’s one of the most
legitimate conspiracies out there is capitalist corporate propaganda, symbolism, taking
advantage of people, that kind of thing. I think that’s a huge component here, and it kind of is
one of the things that all roads lead to that all, you know, all roads lead to the. The money. And.
But then I. I had wondered how he sort of made this turn into.
Well, and here’s the guys that are going to save you from all this. And I. I don’t know. I. I try not
to be too harsh on the guy because I don’t know him, and I wanted to talk to him, and I recently
ran a campaign, tried to get all these people to, like, tag them, you know, tag him in the. On
Twitter and Instagram. And I had literally hundreds, Hundreds of notifications this guy got of me
saying, I would love to have you on my show. It’s a pretty big conspiracy show, and not a peep.
Nothing. And I. I just don’t. It just all these things are really, like. They’re kind of sus. In my mind.
So.
[00:12:49] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:12:52] Speaker A: All right, there we go. Sorry, my camera cut out there.
So.
But. But I know your expertise. You have a lot of expertise and a lot of stuff.
You’ve got this mapping of the Michael Flynn network because. Because. Because I do Think
this is kind of the, the root of a lot of this because I’ve been in the conspiracy community since
2011, watching all of this unfold, and I’ve always had this question in my mind of my own biases
if I’m being crazy, because what had happened from the pandemic forward is a hijacking of the
movement, I think.
And I think that the QAnon thing, Michael Flynn, all of that is to neutralize the threat that is
conspiracy theorists. Because we are the ones that are now sort of in this position of becoming
the new mainstream media.
And they know there’s power in that and they knew this back then. And I think this was all a
psyop to get us or just sort of take over and neutralize the conspiracy truth or movement. And it
worked absolutely beautifully. I, I think.
So take us through how Michael Flynn, I presume you’ll have some QA9 connections in here.
Maybe. I don’t know. Yeah, okay. Yeah, take us through that.
[00:14:07] Speaker B: Yeah. So, you know, I think Michael Flynn became popular when he was
nominated as like the NSA director, but he’s a very long time military.
He was nsa, dia, CIA.
And he’s, he’s been connected to people through like the Reagan administration.
He is connected to various intelligence agencies, not only here in the United States, but abroad
as well.
He has his own intel groups that are made up of smaller independent intelligence actors. He
runs a lot of like 501 C3 and nonprofit NOS.
He is one of Donald Trump’s like largest supporters. Really close with people like Alex Jones and
Steve Bannon and Eric Prince.
And Prince, I haven’t heard that name. Uh, so Eric Prince is, uh, he was a guy that was in
charge of uh, Blackwater and he was really good friends with former SEA CIA director Alvin
Krongard, who was in charge during like the September 11th stuff and was actually working with
Paul Bremer who was over essentially like the Middle east campaign for the first few years.
And they worked together to get Blackwater the first contracts in Afghanistan.
[00:15:38] Speaker A: Oh, this is, this takes us back to sort of the, the neocons of post 9, 11.
[00:15:43] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:15:43] Speaker A: And Blackwater was, I recall in the news because they, it was sort of like
hiring civilian mercenaries kind of, I think. Is that, is that the right same company?
[00:15:53] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely. It was a private military contractor and they were
responsible for the Nisore Square massacre where they ended up killing 17 innocent people.
And that, that got him in a little bit of trouble, not a whole lot. And they ended up reshuffling and
then folding into another company and then into another company. And now they’re.
They’re basically owned by Apollo Global Management, if you’ve ever heard of that. VC tied to
Leon Black, who was part of the Epstein stuff. He got. He got sued by the. The Virgin Islands for
his participation essentially in, in the Epstein empire.
And we can kind of get into that. But, um, the, the few main things I think about Flynn is one that
he is. He’s a very staunch Zionist. He claims to be very Catholic, but I believe that this is a front
and that him and the people in his circle use Christianity as sort of a mask for this like dark
kabbalistic belief system.
And that they’ve basically inverted everything so that the most pious seeming people are
actually the most evil.
Because the first, there’s America’s Future, which connects them to quite a few people you
might recognize Kirk Cameron, Jack Posobiek, Joe Kent, Mike Smith, Laura Logan, and through
Mike Smith, also Liz Low, Liz Crokin, but Lord Logan, Ivan Rakelin and his sister and brother. So
he has Charles Flynn and Mary Flynn o’ Neill, and he’s really close with Paul Valle as well.
And.
Sorry.
[00:17:49] Speaker A: So. Oh, go ahead.
I was just going to ask about the, the connection there. So when we’re looking at this map here,
the America’s Future Inc. Is that a company that Michael Flynn owns or he works under?
[00:18:04] Speaker B: So it’s sort of like a. Like a political think tank like organization.
Yeah. What. What they. So the, the popular methodology behind this network is that they create
a bunch of shell companies. And those shell companies are explicitly stated for a particular
purpose.
And I’m under the assumption that it’s. It’s largely like money laundering. But secondarily what it
does is it manufactures consensus.
So they will start a nonprofit, they will have a bunch of donations come in. And that gives the
illusion that a lot of people care about this thing, that in turn they use those funds and create
events, hire influencers and certain people to come speak at these events. And that essentially
manufactures an issue that the public and the government should care about. I don’t know if that
makes sense.
[00:19:02] Speaker A: But yeah, yeah, I get it. That’s very. That’s the idea I keep talking about on
my show with occult and ritual magic. It’s the idea that our reality is very malleable. And the
concern I have always had is over the years you’ve got this wealth disparity and all these
handful of billionaires sort of consuming up all the wealth. And with that wealth, you can do stuff
these nefarious things like what you’re talking about, and creating this illusion, especially given
the advent of social media and the Internet, you can create this illusion that everybody’s upset
about this one topic when maybe that’s not really the case, you know?
[00:19:35] Speaker B: Absolutely. Yeah. There’s. There’s, like, proven, like, CIA operations going
back as far as, like, the 40s and 50s of them setting up these companies and then using those to
push the agenda of the people in, like, higher power.
And we could probably get into one of those examples because one of them’s actually tied to
Donald Trump’s uncle.
So that would be interesting to see.
[00:20:02] Speaker A: But is that the guy who. Who stole the time travel documents from Tesla?
[00:20:06] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:20:07] Speaker A: All right, man. Okay.
[00:20:09] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, it’s. It’s interesting, man. And it. It all comes, like, full circle to
today, and I’m. I’m hoping that we have enough time to. To get to all it, because it is, like, so
much context.
[00:20:21] Speaker A: Yeah. You do these massive shows on your rumble, like three, four hours.
I’m like, oh, my gosh, there’s so much. It’s just so much information. Go ahead.
[00:20:28] Speaker B: Yeah, no worries, man. It comes from, like, when I would do the gaming
streams and stuff. I got so used to streaming for, like, six, eight, ten hours that. Yeah. So now I’m
like, dude, hour and a half, let’s go. I’ll do that and hop right into something else. Four hours,
that’s like, that’s like a half day for me at this point.
[00:20:48] Speaker A: What’s your game of choice? You got a particular style of game or
something? I don’t, I don’t. I’m not a gamer. I don’t really know how that whole streaming twitch
thing works.
[00:20:55] Speaker B: Yeah, I, you know, I’ve. I’ve played, like, all different kinds. I’m really bad
at video games, but I.
[00:21:04] Speaker A: So I got. So I got a chance of doing this myself someday maybe.
[00:21:08] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. I will say I’ve. I have become a little bit of a purist against, like,
the technocratic agenda, and I kind of see video games as like, a part of that in a way. And so
I’ve. I’ve largely dropped playing them for the most part, but I used to play, like, shooters and
RPGs and basically any. Anything that I thought I could be good at and then ended up not being
and giving up, move on to the next one.
[00:21:36] Speaker A: Right. You got like, Bethesda, the video game company out of Maryland
there, which is where a lot of this, I don’t know, military industrial complex stuff Happens, I. I
guess.
[00:21:47] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:21:47] Speaker A: All right, go ahead. Sorry I don’t distract you.
[00:21:49] Speaker B: All good? All good.
Now, you know, there’s. There’s a couple people in the Flynn network like. Like Laura Logan, for
example, I’m sure you remember. Like, she was a pretty prominent person on the news.
She is married to Joe Burkett.
And Joe Burkett worked for the Lincoln Group to do joint psychological operations support to
drum up American sentiment behind the war in Afghanistan and Iraq.
So they were basically like a private military outfit, and they would run stories or fabricate stories
over in the Middle east that, you know, it say, like, children beheaded or, you know, gay couple
killed by a Muslim extremists, whatever. Whatever that looked like to try to generate support for
that.
Now, the. The Lincoln Group itself got rolled into this company called Strategic Social right here,
which ended up rolling into this company called Kinstellis.
With two other companies.
You have Blackwater, which eventually became Academy, which rolled into Constellus, along
with Triple Canopy, and Constellas is owned by Apollo Global.
And then there is.
There’s Mark Rowan and Josh Harris and Leon Black, who was part of Jeffrey Epstein’s stuff.
And let me know if I need to, like, slow down or you have any questions or anything. I know it’s
kind of hard to follow when you don’t live it.
[00:23:32] Speaker A: This is wild. Okay. Yeah, these. This. These are the maps, are everything
I heard you talk about. I see it now. I’m like, wow, this really is incredible. Okay, yeah, no, go
ahead, go ahead.
[00:23:43] Speaker B: So another thing with. With Laura Logan is she’s really good friends with
this guy named Trevor Fitzgibbon.
So Trevor Fitzgibbon is a pretty important name in my opinion, especially when it comes to, like,
the. Like the alt right health freedom movement.
So Trevor Fitzgibbon, this guy named Thomas Schoenberger, and another guy named Manuel
Chavez created this company called Shadow Box.
And there was another lady named Beth Bogarts who was also involved. But essentially what
this was was it claimed to be like, an online, private, digital army.
So anytime someone would, like, say something negative about Trump or, you know, when the
Q movement was going on, if anybody questioned that or Pizzagate or something like that, this
company was essentially supposed to go defend people or go attack people that were
questioning it, and they would, like, cyber stalk people. And there were targeted individuals and
stuff involved.
And all of them were involved in the Seth Rich wiretapping scandal.
Do you remember the Seth rich from. From WikiLeaks and with the Hillary Clinton stuff? Yeah.
[00:24:59] Speaker A: Oh, yeah.
[00:25:00] Speaker B: And that’s. That’s Kind of important for when we talk about Ian Carroll.
[00:25:07] Speaker A: Oh, okay. Yeah. Because. Because Seth Rich was that around the time of
the campaigns in 2016 that he got killed in D.C. and there was a big. I. I’m not a very political
conspiracy guy, but I casually know about it. It wasn’t the claim like, he was part of, like, killed by
the Clintons or something like that. Okay, all right. Yeah. All right.
[00:25:30] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:25:30] Speaker A: So that ties into Ian Carroll, you think?
[00:25:33] Speaker B: Yeah, he. So I can, I can spoil a little bit, but Ian Carroll has a tendency to
take the sentiments from this network and repackage them for Gen Z.
And very early on in 2024, like, right as he was about to, like, starting to get really, really big,
Mike Flynn reposted one of his Jeffrey Epstein videos and tagged like, Liz Crogan and Laura
Logan and America’s Future page and his sister and stuff. And then slowly, he eventually got to
a million followers. I’m sure that, you know, there we will get a little deeper into that, but Ian has,
at that old school saloon, he told the Seth Rich wiretapping scandal story from there that he
basically just like co opted all their talking points and, and spread them around.
[00:26:29] Speaker A: Oh, that’s interesting. Yeah. Because I think that I, I don’t want to get you
off your, off your thing. Keep going.
[00:26:35] Speaker B: No. Any questions you have, man, feel free.
[00:26:38] Speaker A: Yeah. With. With the whole, the. The whole Ian Carroll connection there, I.
I have always wondered how.
Because in my experience, it.
I don’t know, I feel like I could almost throw that point away because my, My conspiracy theory is
that you don’t organically get as big as you do as Ian Carroll did. I’ve never seen it happen
before.
[00:27:03] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:27:03] Speaker A: I know from experience of sort of being in this network of truthers or
whatever that when you start out in general, if shows that have a pretty good fan base so, you
know, such as mine, I would argue when they hit you up to be like, hey, you want to do my
show? Like, you’re, like, you’re. You’re dying for the publicity. Yeah, let’s do it. You know, I took
every interview I could possibly get for the first several years, even to this day.
[00:27:29] Speaker B: I’ll.
[00:27:30] Speaker A: Dang. Not. Not to this day, but I’ll do as many as I can in my schedule. But
the.
I’ve seen it with my own eyes. A lot of weird things happen over the years, and I don’t. I don’t
want to name names because, like, I don’t know what people’s true intentions are and stuff. And
I, I, I hate to sort of dogpile, but there’s, I’ve seen a couple people who were starting out around
2020 when a lot of people did, a lot of people were like, hey man, I don’t like what’s going on. I’m
gonna start a podcast, whatever. And I’ve seen people that went from obscurity just skyrocket
and, and I remember the one person they interviewed, Roger Stone, and I thought, how did, how
did so and so get Roger, Roger Stone’s like a very famous human being. How did they get
Roger Stone on their show? I don’t get that. Then within six to 12 months, that person, massive,
huge following.
And I see it, I’ve seen it happen enough times and I’m like, something stinks here. And I don’t
obviously like you’ve done a ton of research, sort of, you know, unpacking some of this. So
anyway, yeah, go ahead.
[00:28:33] Speaker B: No, you’re good, you’re, I, I, you’re absolutely right.
I, I always say like, trust in yourself, trust your gut, like there’s reason, your intuition, especially if
it’s leading you to like question something.
And that, that’s actually like a sort of a business model that they’ve had because when it comes
to like the post covet influencer stuff, the people that are popular now are the people that were
questioning the vaccine and the health freedom movement and, and everything like that.
And so what you had was this Trevor Fitzgibbon guy.
He was trained by David Fenton who was kind of like another PR person that was doing the, you
know, let’s set up a bunch of shell companies or he would do the marketing for certain non
profits or political groups.
And PR is all about spin. So even if they needed to like create an entirely synthetic scenario in
order for there to be a news story that is not outside the realm of possibility for them.
David Fenton was on like Council of Foreign Relations with people like Henry Kissinger who
manufacture events, you know, in order to dictate public and for domestic and foreign policy.
And so David Fenton basically made a business out of that and it was called Fit In
Communications. And he trained people like Trevor Fitzgibbon and, and Michael Shellenberger
is another name. He’s sort of like the left wing guy.
He’s, he’s kind of come a little more to the right now with the, with the nuclear energy now being
embraced by the Trump administration.
But for, for the most part historically he’s been left leaning.
But Trevor Fitzgibbon, he was the PR person for Julian Assange, Glenn Greenwald, Robert
Malone, Edward Snowden, and Jacob Applebaum, the guy that did tour.
And so Trevor Fitzgibbon was basically responsible for how the public received these, these
different narratives, these different stories.
And I believe that.
And, and this is just my opinion based on like a lot of context that I have, but I believe that
Edward Snowden, Julian Assange, Jacob Applebaum, Bradley Manning and Robert Malone
were all, they, I don’t think they were authentic whistleblowers.
[00:31:12] Speaker A: I think you think this, it’s coordinated on some level.
[00:31:16] Speaker B: I do. I.
Okay, yeah, I, I believe that the, the Edward Snowden story was sort of like a controlled outlet for
the narrative. So it was very curated.
There were tons of details that were left out of the reporting that was done by Glenn Greenwald
and with Julian Assange as well.
And you know, Jacob Applebaum creating Tor. Tor is just an FBI honeypot, peer to peer
browser.
And then you have Robert Malone who, you know, helped to create the MRNA technology that
we have that led to the vaccines and is now on RFK is, I think it’s like the immunization
committee or whatever that is. And he’s basically backing like the vaccination schedules.
[00:32:14] Speaker A: That’s crazy because wasn’t Robert Malone one of the anti vax voices?
Because I remember covering all that when it was really a hot subject because it was confusing
because they’re like, well, this is the guy that came up with MRNA vaccines. And now he seems
to be going against.
And the same goes for rfk. You know, he, his whole life was being an anti vaxxer. And then
within what, within three months of being appointed head of the, the Health and Human Services
director, he’s already telling people they should take their MMR vaccines and stuff. And I said,
what is going. Like something is so bizarre about all of this. So, so just to kind of go back to this
point, are you saying, are you suggesting that, you know, because Snowden and Assange.
Well, maybe Assange is out of the embassy. Was it one or both of those guys sitting in an
embassy because they don’t want to get arrested in America or they, they were for a long time.
[00:33:09] Speaker B: That. That is the story. Yeah.
[00:33:11] Speaker A: Oh, you. So do you think that maybe they’re not in an embassy, they’re
like chilling somewhere?
[00:33:16] Speaker B: I, I would say that, like when we look at the Boeing whistleblowers and,
and the, the history of whistleblowers, like you have the open AI whistleblower and, and people
like that, I, I don’t think that these people would be able to remain safe anywhere in the world.
Had they actually authentically released something that the government didn’t want the public to
know?
[00:33:38] Speaker A: That’s a very valid point.
Huh? Okay.
[00:33:42] Speaker B: Yeah.
Now obviously that comes with like, you know, looking at there, there’s, there’s so many articles
and, and you know, various like substacks and stuff that sort of document a lot of these things
that this graph isn’t going to be able to put into context.
But I encourage people to go back and look at like the, the shadow box stuff, the Seth Rich stuff
who is handling the pr because he’s, he was actually like the main, his, his PR firm, silent
partner was the main driver behind the RFK campaign.
So American values pack 2024 was the main campaign behind RFK Jr and silent partner was
the one that was driving that. And that’s where they attempted to capture like all the health
freedom movement. Maha Trevor Fitzgibbon is really close with people like Peter McCullough
and people from the Wellness company, which is another controlled company. Like a, I would
call it a shell company, but they do actually sell products.
[00:34:51] Speaker A: But you know what’s funny? In case we don’t come back to the wellness
company, I want to tell you something that was interesting.
When I was prepping to interview you, I looked up the wellness company because I hadn’t,
besides you talking about it, I hadn’t heard of them. And on their website, when you scroll down
towards the bottom of the homepage, you can see they have a sort of Brady Bunch 4×4 thing of,
I don’t know, their spokespeople.
[00:35:18] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:35:18] Speaker A: And it’s all these sort of major alt right wing influencers, just as you’re sort
of telling me. And the weird part is that I literally just went, I Googled, you know, wellness
company, Boom, click the link, went to the homepage, scrolled down, it got a vibe for what they,
they’re selling a bunch of, you know, supplements and things. And then I closed that out and
maybe within an hour on my email, I got an E, A spam email from the wellness company that I
kept. The email said, hang on, I’ll pull it up right now.
I kept it because I was like, what?
It says we saw you browsing and couldn’t help but notice you found something great for a short
time. Enter this promo code, 15% off, blah, blah, blah. And I thought, how did they get my email
address? I mean, I was logged in on, on my Yahoo email on a different like tab. Yeah, I don’t
know. I, there’s, I’VE never had that happen in my life before. That’s the most bizarre, like, 1984
thing I had seen.
[00:36:18] Speaker B: Well, I think it will make a little more sense once we start getting into, like,
what is behind the wellness company.
But I, I do think that that’s, I, I mean, that’s alarming because that means that their cookies are
extending past their, their own website. And that’s, I mean, I think that people made a big deal
about that when Elon said that that X was going to start doing that.
[00:36:43] Speaker A: Oh, really?
[00:36:44] Speaker B: Yeah.
Yeah.
[00:36:46] Speaker A: Okay. All right.
[00:36:47] Speaker B: And so, so Trevor Fitzgibbon is, like, really close with, like, Peter
McCullough, who is the wellness company.
And another person I’ll kind of transition a little bit into, like, the wellness company because it’s
been pushed by people like Alex Jones.
And I actually have like, an entire web of all the people that I’ve confirmed are sponsored by
them.
But with the wellness company, that’s where Erik Prince starts to kind of come into the picture.
He’s tied to a lot of other things as well. But Eric Prince had black water.
One of the special projects managers for Blackwater was a guy named David Lopez.
David Lopez sits on the board of International Health Brands, which I believe has now just been
rolled into Colson Capital.
So he’s like a board member of Colson Capital.
Coulson Capital is owned by Foster Colson.
And they actually have a few companies under them, and he has some under him, one of them
being the wellness company right here. And these are all the people that are sponsored by
them. JP Sears, Cat Turd, Elijah Schaefer, Laura Loomer, Jimmy Dore, Viva Frey, Daily Clout,
Newsmax, People’s Voice, Ted Nugent, Mel K. You know, Glenn Greenwald’s on there, Alex
Jones, Shannon Joy, Naomi Wolf, Kim Iverson, Sebastian Gorka, Kyle Seraphim, Alex Stein, Liz
Wheeler, Chad Prather, all the Epstein Binder people, Roseanne, and yeah, I see Jessica.
[00:38:35] Speaker A: Reed Krause on there.
[00:38:36] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:38:38] Speaker A: Oh, no. This is why, Sam, this is what was so interesting when you were
on Temple Hat, because these are, these are all people that we’ve, you know, worked with. You
know, I, I like Jessica. I, I, I’m not a MAGA guy at all.
I’m about as far from MAGA as you can get. But I, I think she’s a good person. She’s from what
little bit I know of her, working with her, she was a nice person.
And, you know, like, I always tell people, like, just because I have liberal beliefs doesn’t Mean,
I’m a Democrat, and just because I have liberal beliefs doesn’t mean I don’t like Republicans.
Most of my friends are Republicans. I. Most of people I like are Republicans. So it’s not that, but.
So just to sort of not push back on this, but are you saying that the wellness company, which
sells a whole bunch of supplements, they sponsor all these people that you’re showing me on
the map?
[00:39:29] Speaker B: Mm.
[00:39:30] Speaker A: And from the argument. Not the argument, from the discussion you and
Sam had, Sam was kind of saying, like, well, look, as a content creator, sometimes we take on
sponsorships, and, you know, some of us, sometimes we don’t do the homework of, okay, who
owned it? What was the shell company before that, and so on and so on, which I understand
and I sort of sympathize for in a way.
So what’s your perspective on this? Do you look at this list and you say, man, every single one of
these people is rotten to the core? Or do you look at this list and say, okay, all right, cool. I just
wanted to clarify that. So you’re just saying there’s some smoke here because they’re connected
with this whether they know it or not. Maybe there’s something there, maybe there’s nothing
there. That’s kind of your attitude on it.
[00:40:10] Speaker B: Yeah, I. I think what. What I wasn’t able to explain on Tinfoil Hat is that I. I
think that at the very least, everyone on this list is guilty of negligence.
Now, that doesn’t make them evil people, but I do think that, you know, on the off chance that
you are confronted about it, you know, absolutely. Verify it for yourself and take a principled
stance in either direction. And I think that’s sort of like a character litmus test, in my opinion.
For example, Sam Hyde recently got sponsored by the wellness company, and I let him know,
like, I posted under his thing, and I shared a bunch of stuff, and I guess it ended up getting back
to him about that. And he has since fired them, according to himself. And he reached out to me,
and he was like, dude, I didn’t know. If there’s any other, like, shady stuff, please let me know.
And because I don’t do the homework. And I was like, cool. You are the only person that hasn’t
blocked me or insulted me or told me I was blowing smoke.
Do you.
[00:41:20] Speaker A: Do you think these people are making, like.
Do you. Do you know if they’re. Are they making, like, big bucks from this? Or could it be as.
Because, like, for instance, if I get offered a sponsorship and I’ve done, I’ve done, I’ve done a
handful of sponsorships over the years and like, like Better help, which I’ve heard you talk about
on I think higher side chats. You talked about some things with them.
I’ve done hello Fresh and, and I’ve only taken on stuff that I’ve tried their product and I thought,
okay, this is pretty good. I like this.
[00:41:52] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:41:52] Speaker A: And as what else is another big one I did anyway. Do you. So like for
instance, the company will approach me and they’ll say, okay, you get so many downloads per
episode, we’re gonna give you, you know, there’s like a CPM formula they use. So for a guy like
me who’s, you know, a mid level podcaster, I would, I’ll get, you know, 20 to maybe 30,000
downloads per episode and they’ll throw, you know, a few hundred bucks at me for each time I
do an ad read. And I’m like, I mean that’s pretty good money that, that you do that enough, it
pays the rent.
[00:42:27] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:42:28] Speaker A: Do you suspect that the wellness company is doing a disproportionate
amount? Like do you think if they approached me with my show and I say, hey look, I do ad
reads for this other company and they give me, you know, 500 bucks an ad read, they would be
like, oh no, we’re gonna give you like $5,000 an ad read. Like, do you think it’s like an irresistible
amount or do you have any way of knowing that?
[00:42:51] Speaker B: I don’t have any figures per se. I think it’s a combination of both like
prepaid sponsorships and also like commission based affiliations.
So every single creator sort of gets like their own discount code.
[00:43:04] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:43:05] Speaker B: And I think they, they track product sales that way. But I do believe that
they offer like a higher than average going rate for their commissions and their, their ad reads
and stuff.
[00:43:17] Speaker A: Yeah, because, because to me it sounds like they’ve got a mission
besides just making money. This is about creating some new world order type stuff. And it’s
funny, you got Stu Peters on there. I got lit up on rockfin When I was on rockfin years ago, I did a
show. I don’t exposing Stu Peters because I was like this guy’s, he was back then. Because
back I got really pissed off in 2020 because I was with every other truth on the planet when I
was like, hey, I don’t know what’s going on with this thing. They seem like they’re lying. I don’t
know what the right answer is.
And a lot of truthers, they, like, tripled down on the fear side of it. And I thought, well, I don’t
know if I want to do that, because, like, everyone’s so scared right now. My wife was terrified by
the whole thing. So I saw it firsthand, and I felt bad. I was like, man, I don’t want to be the guy
who’s, like, trying to make money off of scaring the crap out of people. And Stu Peters was
talking about how it’s in the Covid’s in the water. Remember, he had the documentary about the
COVID in the water?
And I was like, who’s this fricking guy? And he, like, has his background as a fake. He was a
rapper for a while, and, yeah. You know, he’s like, Russell Brand.
Is that his name? Focus. Yeah, it was like, Russell Brand. Like, they just find whatever sticks,
and, like, that’s their new grift is what it feels like to me.
[00:44:29] Speaker B: I think for a funny Story, you should definitely put Stu Peters and Jesse
Ventura into a search bar together sometime.
[00:44:36] Speaker A: Oh, what? Okay.
[00:44:37] Speaker B: All right. Yeah. Story’s a little too long to get into today, but it’s. It’s really
funny.
[00:44:42] Speaker A: All right, I’m gonna do that.
[00:44:44] Speaker B: Yeah. I’ll. I’ll give you one sentence as a. As a hint of how that goes.
Kicked out of the governor’s mansion.
[00:44:51] Speaker A: Oh, dang.
[00:44:53] Speaker B: Yeah.
And, yeah, so. But yes, I’ve. I’ve actually done a couple. So I appeared on Stu Peters to try to
talk about, like, technocracy and stuff, and he just wanted to make it all about Jews. And, like,
I’m like, that’s. That’s not why I’m here. And also, there’s more than just Jewish people that are
doing things. Like, let’s. You know, let’s not take accountability off of all of the other people that
are also driving this agenda.
[00:45:22] Speaker A: Oh, wow. Okay.
[00:45:23] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:45:23] Speaker A: Yeah. And he’s a huge. And he. And Stu Peters is massive now. He’s
huge. He’s got his own network and stuff.
So I. I tried telling people, telling Blue in the face. I’m like, look, there’s, like, serious money
behind scaring people. And like, the. I always use the. The analogy of the. You know, as. Truth
is, we always criticize big pharma as we should. Right? And while the big wellness health
supplement industry is like, for instance, big pharma is worth 1.6 trillion in US dollars, and the
wellness industry is like $6 trillion, like, there’s more money in supplements, and I’m Not. And I
take a ton of supplements. You see, I have stacks of supplements I take, so I’m not anti
supplement. I actually think they’re very helpful. But the facts of the matter are there’s more
money in, in hawking boner pills and wellness stuff than there is big pharma.
[00:46:18] Speaker B: Absolutely. And, and, and to, like, when it comes to these influencers, I
think that when you’re taking on, like, the sponsorship and you’re. You’re pushing a product that
people are putting into their bodies, if you’re not doing your due diligence on that, I think that’s
incredibly, like, irresponsible.
[00:46:39] Speaker A: I agree with that. And I gave Tim Pool a lot of grief.
I don’t listen to Tim Pool. He’s not my cup of tea. But. And I have no reason to dislike the guy.
But when. When the news came out that he was getting half a million dollars from Russia every
month for videos, I, I said, look, man, like, you guys are making excuses for this guy. If someone
was handing me half a million a month for something, I would do a little. I’d be a little bit like, who
is this guy?
[00:47:03] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:47:03] Speaker A: And he acted like, he’s like, I don’t know. I’m just making the money. I’m
like, bro, how much money are you making? The half a million a month is just like crumbs that
you don’t even look into. Like, that’s insane.
[00:47:13] Speaker B: Yeah. Chatham House rules, though, man. He can’t tell you.
[00:47:17] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.
So. Okay. Sorry, I didn’t. I don’t want to detour you, but you were talking about the wellness
company. Yeah. And all their sponsorships. I know that on other shows you’ve talked about the
wellness company is, Is an umbrella, and then there’s various things within it. Is that right? Like
1775 coffee is within wellness company. Is that right?
[00:47:39] Speaker B: Coulson Capital is the, like, the umbrella company. And then they have
the wellness company. They have this thing called Zelinko Labs or Z Labs.
Vladimir.
[00:47:50] Speaker A: I’ve heard of Z Labs.
[00:47:52] Speaker B: Yeah. Vladimir Zalinko was the guy that was pushing, like, the Ivermectin
hydroxychloroquine stuff very early, and he was really, really good friends with Foster Coulson
and his family.
[00:48:05] Speaker A: So, okay, Z Labs was pushing ivermectin back in 20, the early days.
[00:48:12] Speaker B: But Ivomectin, they sell it now and like.
[00:48:15] Speaker A: Oh, they sell it.
[00:48:16] Speaker B: Yeah. And like various other supplements and stuff.
[00:48:19] Speaker A: Oh, okay.
[00:48:20] Speaker B: All right. Yeah. So they’re, they’re. They’re essentially like the little sister of
the wellness company. But they both roll up to Coulson Capital.
[00:48:27] Speaker A: Okay, all right.
[00:48:29] Speaker B: And then I, I have my screen shared again. If you, if you want to pop that
web back up, I have.
[00:48:35] Speaker A: Oh, did it, did it kick it off?
[00:48:36] Speaker B: Sorry, I did that when we were talking.
So you have like Zelinko Labs who you know is X22 report Sgt Clay Clark flyover Conservatives
Mel K. Steel Truth. That’s Ann Vander Steel. She’s called me Mossad before, which I think is
hilarious because she’s in this network with people who are tied to Mossad.
You have like Clayton and Natalie Morris from Redacted and then this, this 1775 coffee is also
part of that Coulson Capital umbrella. And that is people like, like Steve Gruber, Dan Bongino,
Steven Crowder, Russell Brand, Linda Powers.
Russell Brand I believe was also sponsored by the wellness company.
And the reason that, that I think that the Wellness Company is concerning is not only is it, it’s
essentially little Pharma because they’re selling stuff that was made by like Merck and you know
all these various chemicals and they, they’re claiming like people should use them fairly
regularly. And I don’t think there’s been long term studies of like regular use of these things
without like specific use cases like anti parasitics.
But the. So the CEO of the wellness company is a man named Peter Gillooly.
Peter Gillooly used to be the vice president of operations at this company called Dust Identity
and Dust Identity. This is from their about page on their website. In 2011, co founders of Fear
Gathal on Jonathan Hodges and Dirk England met as three PhDs at Columbia University
studying the quantum characteristics of diamonds. A few years later at mit, which MIT is very
heavily involved with like the military industrial complex, like R D stuff and DARPA approached
them with a critical problem in supply chain security. Trusted physical identity of high value
components didn’t exist. A team recognized that the quantum properties of microscopic
diamonds made them uniquely suited for creating physical, physical fingerprints for product and
part traceability.
From there, Dust Identity was born. Today, dust is embedded in some of the most complex value
streams for organizations leading initiatives censored around national security, centered around
national security.
And so essentially what this is.
Have you ever seen the video where Larry Fink talks about the tokenization of everything?
[00:51:16] Speaker A: No.
[00:51:18] Speaker B: So he said that he wants to get everything on the blockchain and that
includes right now he’s talking about it with like stocks and bonds. But he means literally
everything will have a like a Blockchain address attached to it. Every transaction that you do will
be through the blockchain, even for like, like, you know, like whether you buy a fan or you’re
buying different types of food, eventually they want to be able to track every single transaction
that is taken by everybody. And this is like one of those ways where they would align these
microscopic crystals and then sort of spray like a thin polymer layer over it.
And that thus creates like a tag for it that they can then put on the blockchain and give it a
unique identifier. And then when you transact that product from like person to person, it’s then
tracked from beginning of life to end of life, even through like secondhand markets and the used
market and stuff like.
[00:52:20] Speaker A: That for, for ultimate surveillance and sort of control, I guess ultimately.
Yeah, yeah. This is, it reminds me of the Internet of things, right with 5G. That was the promise
of 5G and, and getting everything onto the Internet kind of. So.
Huh. All right.
[00:52:38] Speaker B: Yeah. And, and so it’s, you know, that, that’s sort of vital to their, to their
goal here I have like an in game model that I kind of theorize where we’re headed.
But eventually I believe we’re going to get rid of the dollar.
We’re already seeing that being tanked by people like Steven Mnuchin and we will go to like a, a
digital only currency ecosystem that’s comprised of various stablecoins like Solana Ripple Tether
and those will essentially replace the like Fiat Federal Reserve system that we have now.
And they will be tying our, our currency to carbon.
So carbon taxes, carbon credits are sort of like a precursor to that.
But it all goes back to like the old Technocracy Inc.
Where they wanted to turn energy into the currency.
[00:53:40] Speaker A: Oh, interesting. Yeah, yeah, that’s, that’s kind of what the, the great reset
books talks about too, is getting everything on a blockchain for. And, and the sales pitch is that I
believe in, in, in Klaus Schwab’s book there, he, he sells it as a way that they can monitor
energy usage for whatever. And you already know where that’s going. It’s going right to keeping
your, your house at 85 degrees in the summer while, you know, big corporate America’s flying in
private jets with the AC cranked all the way down type stuff.
[00:54:15] Speaker B: You know, I’ll do you one better. I believe that if this system keeps
continuing uncontested, it could get to the point where they penalize you financially for your
child’s carbon footprint or the Carbon that you produce when you breathe.
[00:54:36] Speaker A: Like, Total Re. Like Total Recall. Remember that movie?
Yeah.
[00:54:40] Speaker B: And. And I think that is, like, eventually the ultimate goal is they want to.
They want to tax you for every breath that you take. And these systems are a slippery slope to
that.
[00:54:52] Speaker A: Okay, man, that’s wild. Okay.
[00:54:54] Speaker B: Yeah. When it comes to, like, the. The brain chips and the wearables and
various biometrics and. And things that can measure your blood oxygen levels and keep. Keep
a, you know, timer for that and putting it on the blockchain so they can just bill you and it can’t be
undone. And there’s, like, records of everybody and everything all at once. It gets pretty out
there, and it’s a little foresighted, I think, but I think it’s important to let people know, at least from
everything that I’ve researched and kind of understand the way that we’re headed.
Better to know now, and that way you can prepare and. And things like that.
[00:55:36] Speaker A: RFK was talking about having everybody wear a wearable tracking device
just recently.
[00:55:43] Speaker B: Absolutely. To measure, like, blood pressure and oxygen levels and
everything like that.
[00:55:49] Speaker A: Yeah. It seems like the. And the Apple iPhone has, you know, fitness apps
and step counters on it, and it’s almost like that’s a. A dry run for something worse.
And. And if you get into the, you know, I. I think we’re headed towards. They want to create the
technological singularity to put us all in a digital matrix. And maybe that’s the. Maybe that’s how
they get us there, is to have this sort of carbon tax for every breath you take. And then the
alternative, they could be like, well, or if. If you, you know, if you can’t afford all that would just
put you in the matrix. And it’s, you know, very low emissions.
[00:56:23] Speaker B: Yeah. And you. And you live like a God in, like, a cryo state.
[00:56:27] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. And I. And I’m always torn with, like, is this
realistic? Can they really do this? Or have they watched too much science fiction and they’re
gonna sort of overplay their hands? I don’t really know. But given all the sort of technocracy
push and dark enlightenment talk, that seems like the people that want that to happen are in a
lot of positions of power right now, which is sketch, you know, Know.
[00:56:51] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Elon, Peter Teal, I believe Elon even. I saw something
yesterday that said that he’s wanting to bring, like, Curtis Yarvin into the America party.
[00:57:00] Speaker A: Oh, really? Yeah. And I. I’ve done dives on Curtis Yarvin, his I think it was
his brother was in darpa. He was one of the first DARPA employees or something like that.
[00:57:08] Speaker B: Yeah, these are, these are ideological extremists.
The, the acronym that they go by is Test Griel T E S C R E A L.
And it’s, it stands for like the different beliefs that they have, like transhumanism, extropianism,
singularism, so on and so forth. And you have Peter Thiel, Elon Musk, everybody from big Tech,
Mark Andressen, all of these people follow this. And it’s essentially what we see with like the
medical industry through like the Rockefeller takeover was we know what’s best for you and for
all of humanity. You need to do this. It’s in the interest of everyone.
And then there’s a huge fallout and like we’ve seen with basically the vaccines, Covid, all that,
that, that mentality that they have, that is test realism.
[00:58:08] Speaker A: Wow. I’m gonna have to look into that. And this is what bothers me about
it, is that I, I’m not, I don’t watch Infowars or Alex Jones, so I don’t know that I’m qualified to
know exactly what he talks about. But the things I do catch on the sort of feed is that he seems
to be in league with a lot of the people that are pushing this stuff, which is insane to me because
this is everything that every conspiracy theorist I’ve ever followed was warning us about for so
many years.
[00:58:40] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:58:40] Speaker A: So I’m not really sure how that fits into it. Is he. Do you think Alex Jones is
part of this web?
[00:58:46] Speaker B: I absolutely do.
I’m under the belief that Alex Jones has always been a bad actor and that he has like various
family, family members that he has admitted it, are intelligence agents.
He has families that are part of freemasonry. He has people like Chase Geyser that is a self
admitted freemason.
I think Alex Jones was used by knowingly or unknowingly by like the intelligence community and,
and the people that he was claiming to expose in order to paint conspiracy theorists as this sort
of hyper caricaturized crazy person so that people wouldn’t take us seriously for years and years
and years.
[00:59:32] Speaker A: Oh, interesting. Okay.
Yeah, that’s, that’s an interesting idea. And he, and he says it bothers me because he says the
answer to 1984 is 1776.
[00:59:43] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:59:44] Speaker A: And I’m like, Bro, did you even read 1984? Because like the people you’re
like rolling with are pushing for this sort of surveillance state which is, you know, the totalitarian
boot stomping on the face forever.
I just, I just don’t know what to make of the guy. And I don’t follow him enough to really have a
informed opinion, but I know enough that, like, for instance, the other day on Twitter, he had a
live stream and the, and the, the, the headline was something about the, the Trump Epstein
fallout. Which, you know, because he’s probably torn because his bestie Trump was.
Is covering up for pedophile elite networks now.
And I, I was like, well, let me hear what he has to say. So I click in and he’s talking about Obama
sending US Aid money to Wuhan. And, and he showed pictures of Bill Clinton with Epstein. I’m
like, what kind of like bait and switch are we doing here, dude?
[01:00:39] Speaker B: Yeah, the. So the new spin is that they couldn’t officially release anything
on Epstein, and Trump had to make it all confidential so that he could use it to blackmail them to
get everything that he wants done.
[01:00:53] Speaker A: Oh, it’s that. Is that what Alex Jones says?
[01:00:56] Speaker B: That is what Alex Jones said.
[01:00:58] Speaker A: Oh, boy. It’s the 5D chess. I’m so stupid and naive. What was I thinking?
[01:01:02] Speaker B: It’s so funny to watch, man, because I even made a post about it. I think it
was yesterday where he was interviewing Judge Joe Brown and they were talking about it and
they both just have this like exhausted look on their face, like they’re both about to just crash out.
And I’m like, even they’re getting tired of their own propaganda.
[01:01:20] Speaker A: I mean, he’s got to be getting a script handed to him. And he probably
looks at says, oh my God, I got to say this. I mean, there’s just no way he believes this stuff.
And I think that, that, that whole Epstein cover up is really making major rifts happen in the
truther community, which I’m like, thank God. Finally. Are we finally waking up everybody or.
Yeah, but I think the hardcore is, of course, are still hardcore about it. But anyway, so. So with
the Infowars, I, I thought.
I’m trying to think back on who you were talking to.
I think it was you and Greg. Carl would. We’re talking about Greg Reese and David Knight that
they. Did they both leave Infowars?
[01:02:04] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:02:04] Speaker A: Oh, okay. So neither of those guys. I didn’t know. I didn’t know Greg
Reese worked for Infowars at all ever. Yeah, I assumed he was always on his own.
[01:02:13] Speaker B: So one, one time I was on there’s a show called AM Wake up and Greg
Reese saw me on there and hopped in. And we kind of brought up Alex Jones, and he said, like,
there was a point where he finally realized, like, he. He had had, like, various, you know, little red
flags and stuff like that, but he. No smoking gun or anything. And then it was some point in, like,
2022 or early 2021 or something like that where he finally was like, there’s. There’s no
explainable way that this isn’t, like, in bad faith, everything that you’re doing. And he was like, I
was getting, like, 70,000 a year full health benefits. You know, the. The exposure that comes
with it. And he was like, I can’t be associated with this because I believe it’s wrong. And he. He
left David Knight.
I believe his story was pretty similar as well.
And I think, like, one of the major turning points was the. The Sandy Hook case.
And a lot of people don’t know that essentially, Alex Jones counsel kept the Sandy Hook trial in
the state and didn’t take it to the Supreme Court.
And they kind of took a dive on the case.
That way they could use that as precedence for people that try to expose future conspiracies
and. And things like that.
[01:03:43] Speaker A: Wow. Okay. Yeah. Because I. Did you watch that documentary about the
Alex Jones trial on hbo? Have you seen that?
It came out, I think, last year.
And, you know, and I’m torn on this because I support the free speech, that we should be able to
question everything that happens. And no matter how unsavory that is, I don’t love the way Alex
Jones went about it, because the documentary presents it such that it seemed like he was really
egging on people to harass these parents that their children got shot, murdered. Right. Which is
pretty atrociously, kind of gross and unethical, I think.
But I support his right to sort of question it and bring up ideas. I just don’t think he went about it
the right way.
The fine he got was, like, over the top. Right. I mean, I don’t remember what the fine was. It was
like $500 billion or something.
[01:04:41] Speaker B: 1.3.
[01:04:43] Speaker A: Good Lord. Yeah. Some insane amount of money.
And I. And I so like those aspects. I was always kind of on Alex Jones’s side, but then I watched
that documentary, and I still stand by, like, my support of the ideas and the free speech thing, but
when I watched was. And of course, it’s a documentary, so who knows? Maybe it’s sort of
favored in a certain light. But it seemed pretty clear that he was being a total, like, jackass about
things and like, being rude as hell to the judge and like, talking trash about the judge. He would,
the judge, they would break from court and he would go on, on the air that night and talk about
how the judge was, I don’t know, worshiping Satan with Hillary Clinton and crazy stuff. And then
they come back to court. The judge would be like, bro, what are you doing, man? And he’d just
be like, oh, Sergeant, I don’t know. He just did a lot of gross, immature stuff throughout that
documentary that I kind of was like, they got severed. My final tie of interest in Alex Jones, like,
he’s just. Because I, because I have a bit of, I don’t know, I think at some point you gotta, you
gotta man up and, and be a decent human being at some point. And he just wouldn’t do that in
this documentary. And I just like, what a scumbag, you know?
[01:05:53] Speaker B: Yeah. And I, I think it goes back to like, they, you know, he is a tool for
them in the sense that he did make this big deal about it. He went about it in like the worst faith
sort of approach. Like you said, he was like calling for people to harass the families and stuff
and, and then ended up tanking the case and then didn’t appeal it up to the Supreme Court,
even though it was a clear cut amendment issue. You know, he was protected by the First
Amendment. And even in his legal, basically appeal defense, he was trying to throw gun
manufacturers under the bus, which is just like the gun control narrative.
They were, they were arguing, like, seeking punitive damages for how much more like
merchandise and supplement sales he made off of like, drumming this up and creating a show of
it in court and things like that. And his, his legal defense was essentially like, out. Nothing Alex
Jones has ever sold has done more damage than the gun manufacturers that sold the guns that
killed the children.
And I was like, okay, so that you’re, you’re Pro2A, but then you’re literally just talking Hillary
Clinton talking points.
[01:07:08] Speaker A: Oh, that’s insane. Yeah. I don’t know what to think about that whole thing
with the, the what did you see anything on?
Because Alex Jones has his own supplement company, so he wouldn’t be affiliated with
wellness company. Right. He.
[01:07:23] Speaker B: He what? He’s like, he’s had ads for them on his show before, but now all
of the supplements that he sells go through his dad, who has, he has claimed that his dad has
been previously, like, approached by like, intelligence agencies to.
[01:07:43] Speaker A: Do.
[01:07:45] Speaker B: Underground work in like, deep underground military bases for like, dental
implants.
Because his dad is like, a dentist.
And in my opinion, I don’t think you just go from being a.
A random, like, private practicing dentist to being asked to come do, like, intelligence work on,
like, deep underground military bases. I think that that comes from, like, a previous rapport and a
previous resume of work that they’ve done.
Otherwise, I mean, what’s to keep, like, any random person that they contract from the private
sector to just be like, no, I’m not going to have anything to do with this. And then telling people,
you know.
[01:08:26] Speaker A: Right. That does kind of add to the idea that Alex Jones is basically an
asset. Because. Because now that you. Because I had really thought about it that way, but that
would make a lot of sense as to why he was so flagrant about the Sandy Hook thing. And, like,
just relentless. Just wouldn’t stop, even to the point where he. He finally. I think it was in the
court case. He says something to the effect of how he’s like, well, I. I do believe that the event
really happened.
[01:08:51] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:08:52] Speaker A: And it’s weird that he just kept doubling down on it to the point of losing all
that money. And then you’re right, like, to not. To not fight that in the court of appeals.
[01:09:02] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:09:02] Speaker A: And then he says, and at. I remember when the verdict came down, it
was. It looked like it was, you know, curtains for Infowars. Like, it was over. Like, dude, you’re
done. You’re going bankrupt. They were going to sell out the stud, sell the studio and all this
stuff. And he’s kind of bigger than ever now, which.
[01:09:20] Speaker B: Yep.
[01:09:21] Speaker A: Huh. Okay.
[01:09:23] Speaker B: Yep. And. And. And I think that that was essentially like that big price tag
that he got was to deter anybody else. Like regular Joe’s like me and you, that. That can’t afford
to pay $1.3 billion to be like, hey, if you try to do something like this now, this is what’s going to
happen to you.
[01:09:42] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:09:42] Speaker B: And it. And it was like this. This artificial thing because he tanked the case
by not appealing to the Supreme Court on the grounds of the First Amendment and got that
settlement and now is bigger than ever. And now they can reference that court case again for
anybody else that tries to blow the whistle on something similar.
[01:10:01] Speaker A: Man.
Yeah. He’s bigger and buffer than ever. He’s doing the methylene blue and boy, oh, boy. Oh,
yeah.
So sort of. Because I’m looking at the clock here, I want to hit on one more thing before we can
get your sort of final view of where all this ends.
You talked about various comedians.
I Think it was on Carl woods higher side chats, or maybe it was on Tripoli or both.
And you named a couple names that I thought was fascinating because I don’t know anything
about, and that’s Tom Segura and Theo Vaughn.
Do you suspect that they’re involved in any of this? You know, are they on your map anywhere?
Anywhere?
[01:10:46] Speaker B: Not officially. Only because it’s more so people that are sort of driving
things from like the, I guess, driver’s seat, so to say people that are like explicitly politics focused
or maintain like a consistency in, in political talking points, which both of them have kind of
started to, you know, morph into.
But I, I look at like Joe Rogan and all of his ties.
You know, most of, most of his stuff either rolls up into intelligence agencies, giant VC capital
firms, or Israel.
[01:11:26] Speaker A: So Joe, Joe. You think Joe Rogan is maybe a bad actor or just involved
with some bad players?
[01:11:34] Speaker B: I think he is absolutely 100 a plant.
[01:11:38] Speaker A: No kidding. Yeah, you got it. Do you have any, do you have time to sort of
go through any of those ideas of that?
[01:11:45] Speaker B: So from, from my understanding, he, he had a stepfather that was a pretty
prominent like PR media marketing guy and he set out to be a comedian. He was a terrible
comedian. Then he was basically given a show, Fear Factor. And then from there he started the,
the podcasting stuff and was sponsored very early by things like Fleshlight.
[01:12:13] Speaker A: Yeah, I remember that. Yeah.
[01:12:14] Speaker B: And other companies. And if you, did you ever see them, like the Matthew
north video that covers like a lot of his earlier sponsors? No, I, I think, I think Matthew makes
some, some pretty good claims in, in that video.
I’m not sure if all of it is 100% accurate. I would like to think so. But that also incriminates, you
know, like Sam Tripley and.
[01:12:39] Speaker A: No, not Sam.
[01:12:40] Speaker B: Yeah, I like Sam. And from my viewpoint, I, I do think that most of his stuff
is just, he’s just trying to make a living and be funny and do podcasts on the Internet. But the,
the proximity does concern me a lot.
[01:12:59] Speaker A: Yeah, I, I mean, I, I, because I’ve gone back and forth on Joe Rogan too.
He, he was a, he was an idol of mine for a very long time and all of that. I thought he was very
open minded and saw things pretty, pretty.
You know, I don’t know. I feel like he accepted most things for who the people for who they are
on his show and that’s why I liked him. And I don’t know, ever since 2020, things got weird. It
just got weird. And I like, he had all of these Peter McCullough type anti vaxxers on his show,
which I was fine with because I’m a borderline anti vaxxer myself. Like, I don’t, I personally feel
like you’re rolling the dice either way. It just depends on which.
What do you, how do you want this to look? You know, and I don’t want to be involved and that’s
why I don’t talk about it anymore, because I don’t want to be involved in other people’s health
decisions for the same reasons that you critique a lot of these people for pedaling supplements
and stuff. It’s like you don’t, you don’t know what. They’ve gotten these supplements sometimes.
And yeah, so yeah, it bothered me because he had all these sort of anti vaxxer opinions on there
and the whole thing was, oh my God, big pharma is gonna kind of wreck your immune system
and destroy all these things. And, and you really shouldn’t take this thing. And then he gets the
virus and he makes this video, which, to be fair, like CNN made his face look green. I saw that.
But he, he rattles off a list of like 10 different things he’s taken. He’s taking ivermectin and
monoclonal antibodies and all this crazy, like, Frankenstein stuff. And I’m like, bro, what are you
talking about? You know, because, like, I got it and it was. And for me, like, luckily for me, like, I
could just beat it with it like a cold, right? Yeah. And I just thought, this is crazy because Joe
Rogan, this guy that was pushing all this, all just get in the sun, vitamin D, getting your sauna,
you’d be good. And then he gets it and he’s immediately rattling off all this crazy big pharma
solutions. And I’m like, yeah, then why do you have such a beef with the other side of the big
pharma solutions too? Like, to me, exactly. That’s what started the ball rolling of me being like,
who is this guy? And, and you know, I still have a soft spot in my heart for the man. I, I, I, I
admire him on many levels. But then when, before the election this time it was, I mean, it’s pretty
clear that he got, I think, like bought and paid to endorse Trump. I think, yeah, because there
was so much weird stuff that happened leading up to that, including the, the, the, the, the Butler,
Pennsylvania incident, which, I mean, I don’t know, you see the photos of the ears, and I think
that’s not the photo of a guy who got shot in the air. Like, it’s just not.
[01:15:36] Speaker B: I, I believe that the, the Butler Pa incident was entirely staged.
[01:15:40] Speaker A: I, I’m on board 100. Like, I, I.
Anyway, it starts getting into real dangerous territories here. But, yeah, there’s a lot of weird
things with all that. So. Joe. So anyway, to keep picking on Joe Rogan, because Joe Rogan is a
bit of a. I don’t want to say a gatekeeper, but he holds the keys to a lot of.
Let me add that picture back up there for you. Oh, he’s on your map. He’s a very powerful
person. He’s basically the number one podcaster in the world. I do question how many streams
he legitimately gets. I think that all of these big names that you see on the top of the charts, they
pay our bots of, or armies of bots to fake their streams and downloads. I, I firmly believe that,
absolutely. Okay. All right, we’re on the same page here.
Walk me through your map here. How does Joe Rogan fit into this? Dang. Joe Rogan. I can’t
believe I’ve seen his name on this map.
[01:16:37] Speaker B: Yeah, man. So Joe Rogan. The, the first, the first two that, that sort of
come to mind for me are. Are Spotify and Peter Thiel.
Spotify was very early seed, funded by Peter Thiel.
They partnered very early with Facebook, which was also very early seed, funded by Peter
Thiel.
[01:16:56] Speaker A: I’m gonna get you right back to this, but real quick.
[01:16:58] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:16:59] Speaker A: What’s interesting, I was talking to. I did a show yesterday, and I talked
about this.
I started paying for this SEO optimization thing for podcasting, and one of the tools they use is
looking at keywords and search words, and you can see where your show ranks when you
search for certain words.
[01:17:19] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:17:20] Speaker A: And something interesting, it basically tracks Apple and Spotify, which are
the major two podcasting platforms.
And what’s interesting is that it shows you how.
How popular a key term is on the platform. So for Spotify, the term conspiracy is very popular. A
lot of people are searching for that term. If you go to Apple, it’s. Or, I’m sorry, it’s Spotify, Apple
and YouTube. If you go to YouTube, it’s a zero. Like, because, you know, YouTube, they’ll torture.
You can’t talk about it on YouTube. So that’s why it’s a zero, because they’re like, we’re not
showing nobody any conspiracy content on this platform. Isn’t that curious? You’re showing me
now that Spotify, which Apparently lets it fly. Like they’re cool with the conspiracy thing.
Apparently.
[01:18:04] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:18:04] Speaker A: And now I’m seeing them on the map and Peter Thiel’s connected in,
which makes me wonder how much of the conspiracy movement is bought and paid for by all
these figures. Go ahead.
[01:18:15] Speaker B: I, I, I would say it’s, it’s most of it.
And you know, thinking about, like, Rumble, think of how many of the conspiracy people are on
Rumble, and then understand that Rumble was very early seed funded By Peter Teal, J.D.
vance, V.C. ramaswamy, Bill Ackman, and, uh, Howard Lutnick took them through their ipo and
now they’re partnered with Tether, which is Brock Pierce, who is tied to Epstein, Steve Bannon,
and various other people.
[01:18:47] Speaker A: Crazy.
[01:18:48] Speaker B: Yeah.
So, so the, the founder of Spotify, Daniel Eck, he’s like, given multiple speeches at like, the
Bilderberg steering committee that Peter Thiel sits on with Alex Karp.
He is so close with Zuckerberg that Zuckerberg came to his wedding.
And these are, you know, people that CIA contracts. They’re Bilderberg steering committee
members.
The, Peter Thiel’s on the wef.
He was even like a young partner back in the day. So he’s been with them for like a long time.
And that’s just, that’s just Spotify. That gives Rogan millions and millions of dollars.
I, I can’t remember exactly what the amounts for, but I think it’s somewhere in the ballpark of like
$250 million.
[01:19:33] Speaker A: Yeah, that’s what I recall. Something like that.
[01:19:35] Speaker B: Yeah. And there’s even videos of Rogan talking about, like, going to dine
at Peter Thiel’s house as far back as like 2018.
[01:19:44] Speaker A: Man. And that just makes me wonder. It’s like there’s a lot of favors to
repay for Joe Rogan, you know?
[01:19:50] Speaker B: Exactly. And I, I have seen reports that one of the PR guys that can
consistently get spots on Rogan is Trevor Fitzgibbon.
[01:20:01] Speaker A: Oh, really?
[01:20:02] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
[01:20:03] Speaker A: Interesting.
[01:20:04] Speaker B: There’s been, you can, you can go look and he’s like, able to get people
on like, CNN, Fox News, Joe Rogan, 60 Minutes, all that stuff, so.
[01:20:14] Speaker A: Well, that’s interesting because I noticed Ian Carroll was on, on Fox News
like a year ago or something like that. And it was just part of my per, my, my curiosity of the guy,
because I was like, how, how does this guy do it? Like, that’s insane. I’ve never seen anyone do
it in this, in this organically.
[01:20:32] Speaker B: I’ll, I’ll give you a sort of A model that I’ve, I’ve recognized patterns with.
So this was, this was similar with David Fenton, Michael Shellenberger and Trevor Fitzgibbon.
So very early in their life they go do like some humanitarian stuff in, in like a third world country
or like Latin America.
Then they come back and they start getting into the, the business of like public perception
manipulation.
Then they start a bunch of non profits and then they start manufacturing consensus through
those.
Very early in Ian Carroll’s life, he went to Guatemala for humanitarian stuff. He comes back, he
ends up becoming this huge podcaster and conspiracy guy that’s able to manipulate public
perception. And then now he’s part of this non profit called Hetero Awareness.
And you know, when I, when I think about like Michael Flynn and his nonprofits and you know,
he’s, he’s really close with Nicole Shanahan, who is a literal billionaire for divorcing Sergey Brin,
who is Epstein, the Edge, you know, Google, Alphabet, all that.
That’s how she became a billionaire. He’s cozy with her and Liz Croakin, Lori Logan, like he’s
friends with all these people and I don’t think it’s, it’s. I think they, they kind of keep him at like an
arm’s distance to keep his character a little cleaner. But I absolutely believe that he’s in, in
contact with people like Trevor Fitzgibbon. He’s spoken at multiple events that Trevor Fitzgibbon
did like Rescue the Revolver Republic and March for the mandates and stuff like that.
[01:22:21] Speaker A: And yeah, I saw that, I saw that during, during the election he was doing a
bunch of speaking events and it just, and, and people gave me grief when I question all this.
They’re like, oh, you’re just being a hater. I’m like, that’s fair. I am totally hating because like, I’m
jealous of the meteoric rise this guy was able to pull off.
And anyway, it’s. So you’re suggesting maybe he’s following the, the blueprint by doing the non
profit thing like that is very ambitious, like to immediately go in, launch into these within two
years of starting a TikTok channel.
[01:22:54] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. I think that the model worked so well over the last couple of
decades that they were just able to like hyper accelerate it for him.
And now that’s, that’s my opinion. But it comes with like, oh, there’s this, you know, thing that’s
way too crazy to be a coincidence. There’s this, the fact that he was on Joe Rogan.
Right.
[01:23:16] Speaker A: I totally forgot to bring that up.
[01:23:17] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
And, yeah, so. And me and him have gotten into it a couple times, and it seems to be like he is.
He is what I would call the Q movement personified.
So there’s always, you know, when. When Trump and. And Netanyahu were talking about Gaza
and Trump said that the US Would end up annexing Gaza, and Netanyahu gave him, like, that
dirty look, and people ran with that and they were like, oh, they’re fighting with each other. Do
you remember that?
[01:23:47] Speaker A: No, I don’t.
[01:23:48] Speaker B: So that was like Ian Carol’s like, oh, look, Trump’s actually going to, like,
coon Netanyahu, and they’re not on the same page and they’re saving Israel for last. Like, he
follows that whole thing and promoted people like Cash and Bongino and Pam, Bonnie and Tulsi
Gabbard.
And it’s just.
It seems to be this repeating pattern of you’re going to tell people there’s someone coming to
save them, and then when it ends up not happening, you’re gonna be like, oh, I got played, or,
oh, who could have seen this coming?
And they just all feign ignorance, which I think is what we’re kind of seeing now with, like, this
Epstein stuff. A lot of them are like, what’s happened? Trump is totally owned. And they’re, like,
completely surprised. And it’s like, most of us were yelling at you for the past two, three years
that this was absolutely going to happen, pointing out connections and stuff. And, you know, I
argued with Ian all the way up to, like, February about Peter Thiel, and then now all of a sudden,
he’s like some expert. When he was claiming after the election, he didn’t even know.
He didn’t understand Peter Thiel and his connections is what he told me.
[01:24:58] Speaker A: Yeah, that’s crazy.
All right, I’m looking at the clock. Let’s, let’s. Let’s wrap up with your, Your. Your final take on why.
Why should we care about any of this? Where. Or, you know, where does this go? Like, why.
Why should we be concerned? What does this look like if nothing changes? And they kind of go
along with their nefarious game plan here.
[01:25:22] Speaker B: Yeah.
So I think that, you know, when. When we look at, like, the agenda that the WEF puts out, I
absolutely think that they are being 100 serious and that it’s not like, you know, we’re gonna
demoralize you by telling you you’re gonna eat the bugs. I think they. That’s absolutely what they
want for us. They want us to own nothing. And be happy. And all of these people that sort of
restore this faith in the systems and institutions that we have, I think are doing everybody a
major disservice. And I always tell people to verify everything. Don’t trust anybody but yourself.
Don’t even trust me. You know, like, I’m capable of making mistakes. I’m human. I have my own
biases, even if it’s like subconsciously.
So always be thinking for yourself.
I always preach for people to become committed to like, food independence.
I think that’s like the number one way that people can sort of take back at least a little bit of their,
the control over their lives. Because, you know, food is a bill that comes due like two to three
times a day for everybody on Earth.
And every single purchase that we make that’s, you know, to, to these sources is money that’s
going into BlackRock, money that’s going into Unilever and, and funding these big VC things.
And they’re full of preservatives and additives and stuff, stuff that just make you feel terrible all
the time and make you sick and give you cancer.
So the sooner people can, can sort of get their food independence back and, and harness the
skills of like independent food production, self sufficiency and stuff, I, I think it is not only going to
make people feel better, but it also is like a huge hit to their bottom dollar.
And I, I don’t think there’s going to be like a huge, huge mass awakening, shoe drop moment.
But the whole reason that I’m here is, you know, while I’m here, if people can hear the things that
I’m saying and, and apply them to their lives and, and stuff, every drop in the bucket eventually
adds up to an ocean.
I wasn’t around, you know, talking about stuff when like Covid happened, but I’ve seen countless
examples of people saying like, you know, thanks to you, I didn’t get the vaccine or, you know, I
didn’t make this decision or that decision that I would have regretted. And I hope that I can at the
end of the day do that for some people. When this is all said and done.
[01:27:53] Speaker A: You. In fact, I just started. I’m trying to learn to garden just a little bit. So
we’ve got tomato plants. I planted some romaine lettuce, but I let it get too tall and then it had
like white SAP on the inside when you break it off. So I’m like, did I? So I’m trying to learn, okay.
I think I let it grow too long. I don’t know, do you ever have one of those, like what I looked at
those tower plant. You want to talk about those, those towers where you can plant a bunch of
variety of things.
You ever look into those things? Is that those worth the hassle or. Because I live in a, I live in
Utah, so we’ve got four seasons here, so you can’t grow stuff in the winter, obviously. Yeah, but I
thought maybe I can do something like that because I agree with you 100. Because food is what,
that’s one of the things that got me into conspiracy thinking was because you, you really have to
question the food supply and health and nutrition and you find out all these things aren’t
necessarily what you thought they were. And you know, I, I do agree with you there with the,
with the food sources. Is there, is there a good, any good beginner tips for me here?
[01:28:59] Speaker B: I would say don’t be afraid to start small if like the, the capital, like the
upfront capital costs or something. Don’t be afraid to fail and, and mess up because that, that’s
all part of, you know, harnessing a skill. Like you said with your lettuce, like now you know, you
know, if it, if it gets too big too long, now you know that for sure, that’s probably always going to
stick with you.
[01:29:21] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, no doubt.
[01:29:23] Speaker B: And, and start it. Starting is the hardest part. If, if people are really
wanting like, you know, good advice and things like that, I’d encourage people go to like your
local farmers market.
Ask them how, ask the farmers how they feel about like Monsanto and Bill Gates and, and stuff.
And all of mine seem to have given me a response that makes me confident in working with
them.
So that way, like all of my meats local and I’m putting it back into the community.
I know it’s not like full of all of these additives, preservatives and stuff and you can get like
excellent grow tips especially for like your area, specifically your, your topsoil, the various things
in your immediate area as far as like the ecosystem, what grows best, what’s good for the
climate and stuff from them.
And then don’t be afraid to get your hands dirty.
[01:30:17] Speaker A: That’s great, man. Good stuff, dude. Well, you’re doing awesome work,
man. Tell the audience where they can find you and I’ll put these links in the show notes.
[01:30:25] Speaker B: Absolutely. So you can find me on Elon’s DARPA website, x.com you can
find me on Peter Thiel’s Rumble and you can find me on Sergey Brin’s YouTube.
[01:30:38] Speaker A: Oh, man. Do all my streams for now at least, right?
[01:30:42] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, for now. I’ve heard I’ve been shadow banned on Rumble
because people can’t find my account, so I have to link it to them all the time. And that’s first
time I’ve ever heard someone getting shadow banned on Rumble. So that’s. That’s pretty
interesting.
And then I. I have like, a substack that I have neglected for a while now. I’m hoping to. To get
back into the swing of that. And then I do, like, merch and stuff that I make myself that’s like,
centered around my content. If people ever want to check that out, I make it myself, so.
[01:31:09] Speaker A: Oh, where can we. Where can we find that?
[01:31:11] Speaker B: That. That isn’t the link tree in my Twitter bio. And I usually link it in all my
video descriptions.
[01:31:17] Speaker A: It’s.
[01:31:17] Speaker B: And stuff. There’s a merch option down at the bottom.
[01:31:20] Speaker A: Cool, brother. All right, man. Well, I’ll put the links to all that stuff in the
show notes. Thanks for doing your. Your great work, man. You got me. Got me thinking twice
about everything now. And I think that’s. I think that’s a valuable service you’re doing. And, you
know, I think the people are obviously, you know, the audience is intelligent enough, they can.
They can dig into this and see how nefarious their favorite truther is. You know what I mean?
Like. Like for, like for Sam Tripoli, for instance, you know, I’ve known him for years now, and I’ll
stand by it firmly that he’s a good dude.
This isn’t an attack on your research. I’m just saying.
So, like, for that instance. Exactly. Like, no, I don’t think Sam’s implicated in anything. From my
experience with the guy.
Some of these other characters, I don’t know, I don’t know them well enough, and it definitely
would make me question some of the things they say. And I think that’s. I think that’s the goal of
this is the conspiracy truther movement has gotten so popular and so powerful that it’s. I argued
the sort of new mainstream media, and with that comes a lot of influences and financial
influences and things we need to be concerned with. So it’s. It’s got me thinking twice now
because I’ve. I’ve been critical of some sponsors I was offered, and I think I’m going to be twice
as critical now. I mean, I’m happy. I, you know, if the coffee. That coffee company would hit me
up, I. I probably wouldn’t think Nothing of it. Oh, dude, I love coffee. Yeah.
[01:32:47] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:32:47] Speaker A: You know, and.
Yeah, I. I think. I think it’s. I think it’s. It’s. It’s a good. Good service you’re doing. So thanks for.
For all your hard work. Appreciate it.
[01:32:55] Speaker B: Hey, appreciate you having me on here. Give me the opportunity to talk,
show off my webs and stuff. Anytime you want me back and. And you want to dive deeper into
something we’ve touched here or a totally new topic, man, feel free.
[01:33:07] Speaker A: Yeah, absolutely, man. You’ve given me so much to think about and
research. I’m going to be especially interested in the Stu Peters Jesse Ventura drama. That’s.
[01:33:15] Speaker B: Oh, yeah.
[01:33:15] Speaker A: My first search after this. So, anyways, yeah, thanks for your time.
Appreciate it.
[01:33:18] Speaker B: Hey, thanks, man.
[01:33:25] Speaker A: All right, there you go. You’re now armed with the information. What you
do with it is up to you.
And like he said, there’s.
There’s. Sometimes there’s smoke and you need to look for the fire. Right. And also, I wanted to
follow up. He talks. We talked about the Jesse Ventura and Stu Peters thing, and I. I found the
article online, and basically what it.
[01:33:53] Speaker B: The.
[01:33:54] Speaker A: The article claims is that Stu Peters was falsely impersonating a
Hollywood agent to befriend Jesse. Jesse Ventura’s son, Tyrell Ventura. And he was living in the
Ventura mansion for weeks, enjoying all the little, you know, I guess. I guess mansion privileges,
cooking, laundry, food, all kinds of stuff. And Tyrell finally got got a little suspicious about. About
old Stu Peters being a grifter. So he called the police, did a background check, and they booted
him out of there. So that’s.
That’s crazy. I didn’t even know about that because this was an early. I think the article said it
was 2000. Yeah, 2000 is when that happened. And several years later, Stu Peters became a
white rapper on the YouTube, and now he’s a very famous and prominent conspiracy theorist.
So, point being.
The point being, just question some of these folks. You know what I mean? Sometimes they
don’t have your best intentions. Sometimes they’re looking out for themselves more than they’re
looking out for you.
And I, like the seven Cs, subscribe to the same way of looking at this as I do. Right. I want you
to question everybody, including me.
I want you to do what’s best for you.
When we’re trying to interpret reality and what’s really going on, sometimes conspiracy people,
we get a little paranoid, right? Including me. So I want you to know the biases of everyone
you’re. You’re taking your information from and run it through an internal filter and and try to
make sense of what you can. Right. I’m certainly not advocating to never listen to these people
that he’s talking about ever again. You know I’m friends with some of these people so I like I
talked about defending Sam Tripoli because I’m like no, I know Sam on I mean somewhat right.
Like we don’t hang out on the weekends or nothing like that but every interaction I’ve had with a
guy for years he’s one of the most stand up dudes I’ve ever met in in the podcast game so I if
he’s done a sponsorship for one of these companies I’m. I’m throwing that right out the window.
You know what I mean? And that’s how some of these people probably are to be fair but maybe
not, right? Maybe not. That’s all he’s saying so good stuff. Be sure to follow seven Seas. The
links are in the show notes as usual and until next time, stay positive.
[01:36:13] Speaker B: It.