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David Grusch Interview: 5-D Aliens, Quantum Dimensional Gateways & Majestic 12!

On today’s episode of the Occult Symbolism and Pop Culture with Isaac Weishaupt podcast we’ll talk about the actual David Grusch interview on NewsNation! We’ll address some statements made that nobody seems to be talking about- from Majestic 12 (MJ12) to quantum connections to the other dimensions and 5-D ascension, as well as another look at the Las Vegas alien; let’s take a look!

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Unknown Speaker 0:08
Welcome back to occult symbolism and pop culture. I’m your host, Isaac Weishaupt. Today we’re going to talk about the whistleblower. That’s right, David grush. We did a first part episode already, where we

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basically looked at some of the short clips and claims that were that were made, we pointed out some of the strange connections between the intelligence agencies, the UFOs, and the occult.

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And the day, we’re gonna get into the actual interview that aired Sunday night, June 11. On news nation,

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I brought clips to I brought the clips

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we’re talking about statements that

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I don’t know there’s nobody care.

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There’s nobody care. We’re gonna talk about some statements nobody seems to be talking about

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from claims of majestic 12 to quantum physics, and connections to other dimensions, five D. All right, you ready for the five D matrix ascension?

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As well as we’ll take a real brief look at the Las Vegas alien nothing. It’s pretty interesting. Pretty interesting topic there. So I’m gonna throw that in. Because in part one we talked about just real briefly.

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Now before we get into it, quick housekeeping.

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I’m going to plug my man Tony’s show the confessionals, which is very apropos. If you’re into all the aliens and the paranormal, Sasquatch II stuff. Tales of satanic cults out in the desert.

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You gotta listen to a big show. His biggest show ever is going to be with you, boy, Isaac Weishaupt. That’s right. I did a an episode of The confessionals. I believe I talked to my man Tony.

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Great dude, by the way, he

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we get along like gangbusters. I think he was saying he’s dropping the episode in June by the end of June. Don’t quote me on that. Coming soon. I know that much. And it’s going to be fascinating.

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I’ll be dropping bombs like Metatron. Okay, we’re going to talk about all kinds of stuff that connects all of the things he’s looking at with all the things I’m looking at. It’s, it’s the mega powers coming together. Number two man Randy Savage, and the Hawkster coming together. And we’re blowing minds. That one’s going to be a huge show. A lot of people are going to be really interested in how all these things connect. And I want you to enjoy it. So follow him on all the socials you know where you are. His show is bigger than mine. Look confessionals.

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You’re gonna love it. Especially if you like the scary ghost story stuff. That’s your jam, because he interviewed people all the time. I listened to this one episode. Shout out Demi by the way, I listen to this one episode about this guy went out in Palm Springs on the desert, in the Mojave Desert. And we cover a little bit about that, okay, it’s gonna be good. It’s gonna be epic, as they say. Then update for the people trying to get in the gray Lodge, I see lots of people signing up. Thank you so much. I’m very humbled. If you’re signing up for the supporter feeds to get on, get in the gray launch, because we’re going to start doing not only what we’re going to do, not only are you going to get the ad free version of the podcast, you’re gonna get all the bonus episodes we’ve already done. You’re going to also get a bonus episode every month. Like I promise you. You’re also now going to get bonus episodes of Twin Peaks stuff. That’s right, we’re going through Twin Peaks. Now you’re probably wondering, Isaac, what’s taking you so damn long? We already did the primer.

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The next episode we’re gonna do we’re gonna go through the cast and crew of season one and two. All right. I’ve been trying to wrap my mind around how how to do this right and engineering the say eat elephant one bite at a time. That’s what we’re dealing with here, folks. And I’m trying to figure out how to make this work so that it makes sense.

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And what we’re going to do, we’re going to tackle season one and two,

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then the film fire walk with me. Then season three, that’s a whole different beast, right?

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So we’re gonna do it in that and then we’re gonna do the book somewhere in there. We’re gonna do side topics about Jack Parsons, and I mean all kinds of crazy stuff.

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It’s gonna take a really long time. But you and I are both going to learn a lot in the process. theosophy Dion fortune Halina will of ASCII Black Lodge white Lodge, you’re going to the gray Lodge.

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But that’s the next episode we’re going to do. I’m hoping to do it next week. I’ve been look I’ve been trying to figure out because I’m trying to make sense of this right. I think what I have to do is I’m going to drop the bonus shows on the on the feeds like I normally do. And I think what I’d like to do when we get through the whole project

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After a year or two years, I don’t even know this is gonna take forever.

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I want to write a book. That’s the fantasy, okay?

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That’s the plan. Don’t hold me to it. I’m going to try to write a book compiling all the ideas that we’re talking about. And once I released the book, I am going to drop all these episodes on a free feed. I’m going to start a whole different podcast feed for this show. That’s what I’m thinking. So that’s what I’m trying to make sense of how I’m gonna make this work. So bear with me. The episode is coming very soon. And then it’s gonna be on a pop and over fuck we’re firing right through it. Okay.

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All right. And oh, and one last plug. If you’re into aliens new evolves because that’s why you’re listening to the show. I wrote two books on it aliens you will focus on the occult Use Your Illusion wanting to featured on Coast to Coast AM right featured on Chris Jericho is great podcast. Talk is Jericho.

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And of course,

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it featured on tinfoil hat. Okay.

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And those books sum the whole thing up, and so far. I feel like it’s a pretty good summation of what’s going on. And it is almost proven correctly by this Interview by David Brooks. Well, we’ll get into it. Okay, we’re gonna get right into it.

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got slammed by Windows going too loud out in suburban Hill. Okay.

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That’s right. No air conditioning for me, folks. I told you last week I’m meeting the cinnamon toasters, multiple meal. We’re also not turning the air conditioner on not till it gets above 95 degrees.

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All right.

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Oh, and then also, if you’re trying to, you got the month of June. And of course, I’m gonna let it bleed into a little bit of July. But you got the month of June to use promo code cherry pie all one word to get into the gray Lodge. But that’s only in the VIP section. Some people got confused about that. I can’t offer coupon codes with Patreon or rockfon. I can only or Apple premium. Those are all your supporter feeds only at Illuminati watch.com. Hit the VIP tab, scroll all the way to the bottom. That’s where you punch in the code and you can get in for two bucks for that first month. Then it goes up to five bucks a month. Okay, just want to be clear.

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I even had one guy sign up for the $100 a month. And I was like hell, right? Look at this. Look at this big baller as a buddy. What do you want? Because I sent him signed books if you if you if you’re the mega baller bucks like that. And I was like, Oh, that was a mistake. I didn’t mean to do that. Oh, come on, pal.

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Just kidding. So I refunded the money. And hopefully it works out if you’re that guy. Hit me up if you didn’t get it figured out yet. Okay. Moving on.

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Let’s talk about David grush. Here. All right. First, you’ll notice the first thing, the first thing out of his dirty mouth. I was just kidding. I don’t know if he’s got a dirty mouth.

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I have my suspicions. I’m going to give them to you in the conclusion. The first thing he offered up and he’s my Air Force brothers, so I gotta be careful. All right.

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Like there can’t be crooks in the Air Force Come on.

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First up, he offered up a redefinition. All right. I’m going to frame this whole interview for my perspective, studying all this writing two books. An expert here I’ve been on coast to coast and SLUBs on there.

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The first stage of propaganda is to redefine terms, names, words, terms. The spoken word is power. Right? There’s meaning to all this, especially in occult magic.

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Because in my first Alien book user illusion, one I talked about how isn’t that interesting? They’re redefining the term. Now it’s UAP instead of UFO, because UFO is too much stigma because they spent 6070 years pushing disinformation to make it look like crazy people were into this stuff. So now, and this is the big question like Why all of a sudden, are we getting flooded with these messages saying

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the other right

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so now apparently, we’re using this term n h AI non human intelligence instead of the term aliens. It’s real subtle. It’s not an official declaration, but I I promise you that’s what’s happening. Next, we redefine the UFO as a UAP. Now we’re going to redefine aliens as Nhi.

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Maybe to humanize it maybe to change the perspective of what this phenomenon is, which is what I think is going on. But take a listen to how they how they they dress this. I would couch it as non human intelligence, you know, NHI like we like to say in our language, why do you say that? Why do you say Nhi? I don’t want to necessarily denote origin. I don’t think we have all the data to say oh, they’re coming from a certain

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at a certain location and I counted as somebody who studied physics where maybe they’re coming from a different physical dimension, as described in quantum mechanics, we know there’s extra dimensions due to higher high energy particle collisions, etc. And there’s a theoretical framework to explain that. Yeah, just to be cut to the quick that you’re saying. There is an intelligent species engaging with this planet. Yes, that’s potentially extraterrestrial. Yeah. He says it’s Nhi. Because we don’t know the origin. Okay, that’s fair.

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And he takes it. And also, I should mention that it’s getting away from the term Extra Terrestrial, which means there’s another planet, a rock out there where these things live. And that’s not really what he’s saying they are, which is exactly what I’m saying. And Use Your Illusion, one and two, all right.

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It’s also what I was doing sooner, interdimensional, interdimensional blood dragging Satan wars ruin. Hillary Clinton loaders.

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What about

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how he talked about immediately, immediately, he talked about how this is related to physics. Immediately, he took it there. These things don’t come from another planet, they come from a different dimension. All right.

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So he’s clear and saying that, potentially they’re extraterrestrial, but more than likely, they’re interdimensional. That’s what he’s trying to say. Now, people are you and I, we’ve read this. We studied this stuff. We know all about it, right? Well, imagine how many millions of mouth breathing normies out there

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who have no idea what we’re talking about? Trying to get them to understand this. That’s why they got to spoon feed this to you.

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Right? It can’t just be all at once. They can just have the president come out and say, Get everybody done. I’ve done a little research. Turns out we’ve got interdimensional beings that pop in and out of our realities based upon certain principles that we’re yet to determine what lot like people couldn’t handle that, right? I couldn’t we would you know what I mean? And I know what I kind of think I know what he’s talking about.

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But more interestingly, yet,

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he talks about how these things come in and out of dimension.

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And he suggests due to high energy particle collisions. Now, isn’t that fascinating?

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Doesn’t that make you think of CERN with the Large Hadron Collider? That’s a high energy particle collider. Doesn’t that make you think of dropping the atomic bomb, nuclear fusion, nuclear fission, which I guess is breaking apart versus putting together but whatever. I’m not that nerdy. But you I kind of know what he’s saying. Okay.

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Next clip, he is going to talk to you about how,

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again, maybe they’re not traveling from another planet, maybe they’re not going through space.

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And about how there are in fact, extra dimensions. We’re linear time is just a physical dimension, which as I understood it, that’s we actually live in four dimensions. When you consider time a dimension, you’ve got this space time fabric, okay? Like, an actual location is your three dimensions. But then time would also be your fourth dimension. So we’re already in a fourth dimension.

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So we’re talking about going into the fifth dimension. All right, some other elements. And there’s lots of good examples to explain this. I’m sure if you YouTube, it, I think even Interstellar, had a good example or event horizon, I think had a good example.

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When they tried to explain what a wormhole is kind of what I think they’re talking about here,

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but he’s talking about these

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NH eyes. They’re aliens, some of the aliens coming from the five D from the fifth dimension, another dimension.

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And it’s fascinating because the interviewer doesn’t even bite on it, take a listen, even if you call them NHI and UAP. How could such NHI travel to worth in the first place and go undetected by the general public. grush says the craft may not be traveling through space, as we understand it, it is a well established fact at least mathematically and based on empirical observation and analysis that there most likely are physical, additional spatial dimensions. And you can imagine, four and five D space we’re what we experienced as linear time ends up being a physical dimension in higher dimensional space where if you were living there, you could translate across what we perceive as a linear flow.

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Okay, so there is a possibility that it is a theory here. I’m not saying this is 100% the case, but

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it could be that this is not necessarily extraterrestrial. And that’s actually coming from a higher dimensional physical space that might be co located.

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You know, right here, you see how the interviewer just kind of

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moved along. I look, I don’t know, the interviewer this Ross guy. Sounds like he’s pretty plugged into the alien phenomenon we call it now.

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So I’m surprised he didn’t go further into that. But maybe he also was either he doesn’t either kind of was too mind blowing for him, which I don’t know if I believe that I kind of think he knows better. Or he thinks or he’s probably thinking like, hey,

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the audience is gonna be like, brah this guy’s crazy. Talk about five dimensions and stuff. But but you got to understand in the world of science and physics, quantum physics, they’re looking at String Theory ideas that there’s 1112 dimensions. And why is that so crazy? Just because we can’t sense it.

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With a lot higher levels of abstraction.

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And a concept. It’s, it’s like, if you told someone that X rays existed, they’d be like, not back in, you know, 1500s, they would be like, no, what are you talking about?

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But now they got machines, and they can show you to me Look, see? Okay.

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Now,

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I’m explaining science to like, you don’t know, you already know.

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But he’s talking about how the interviewer talks about how, of course, there’s a small percentage of these craft that would crash. And now that I always take exception to this, I always think, man, if this is such an advanced technology, that they’re truly coming from either another planet or popping in and out of dimensional realities.

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How are these idiots crashing the damn planes? Like that’s the part I just don’t get.

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And he suggested a very small percentage.

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I have a hard time believing it. I’m not saying that’s not possible. But it is a question that I always go back to. But let’s just roll with it. Right.

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They talk about again, the idea of Yuval is shutting down nuclear sites.

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Something we’ve heard many times and it’s apparently gone. Apparently, it’s a pretty legit thing, right?

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People getting injured investigating these things sometimes. But most interesting, most interestingly, he claims that the Roswell reports that we’ve heard for so long, debunking Roswell is all a sophisticated disinformation campaign. Fake News.

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Fake news because it’s all real. That’s what he said.

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He critiques the Department of Defense because he says they’ve got tons more videos of UAP. They could be releasing, but they’re not.

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I mean, he’s throwing some pretty bold accusations right now. Okay.

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Interestingly, he says some of them are extremely large the size of a football field, and says they’ve got very credible witnesses that can confirm this. I’ve got a very credible witness that can refer to one of my friends. He seen one. He was just telling me about it. Probably two weeks before I seen his interview, talked about how he was driving down the road. And this massive craft at night was moving the clouds, like just as fast as he saw it disappeared again.

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And he’s not in any of the stuff he’s not trying to find. You have those. He’s very, very sort of, you know,

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sort of mainstream guys and wacky stuff like I’m, I’m looking for this stuff. I’m constantly on the lookout I saw I saw bird frozen in the sky.

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Let’s see what else did he talk about? Oh, he claims that the private contractors are storing the craft which is very slick, because he’s saying that the government

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Oh owns these UFO crashed UFOs and

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loans, the craft to private contractors,

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for them to do analysis and reverse engineering and stuff. That’s what Bob Lazar, I think he worked for a defense contractor that was trying to reverse engineer the propulsion system if I recall.

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And he says this is very unethical because it basically gives all the I don’t know technology rights to the company, when really it should be taxpayer government stuff.

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Because he’s claiming that what these companies want to do is they want to reverse engineer it, sell that technology back to the government which is the thing that happens right that’s what the a lot of the health stuff. We won’t use terms here but

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A lot of the health stuff. Hell, a lot of projects, even Google

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as a bad example, because you get

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it’s not really a direct black and white example. But some companies get funded, as you know, through the government through various, I don’t know, funding sources for small businesses and things. And then they blow up. And you know,

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the government never gets their slice back. They never get their their cut back. And I think that’s what he’s saying he thinks is happening here.

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I don’t know which contractor he didn’t say.

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Then they asked him about Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick. He was the or is the Associate Director of Arrow, that’s the new UAP Task Force.

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And he claimed that Groasis fake news, he says there’s no credible evidence of any ET technology doesn’t exist.

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And the interviewer Ross as grish about that, and he’s like, Oh, I know him. I know Sean Kirkpatrick. I told him all those things, and he never followed back up with me.

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So he’s kind of saying the head of the UAP investigations is also part of the disinformation campaign is what it seemed like.

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And now we get real interesting.

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Are the aliens good guys or bad guys?

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he flat out asked him, Are these things benevolent? Are they malevolent? Are they good? Are they evil? And gross says

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there’s a logical fallacy in assuming that these things are so advanced and so evolved,

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that they’re so woke that they would also be kind and nice towards humanity. Take a listen to the common interpretation from some commentators is that

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there is a nonhuman species and it’s incredibly benevolently well disposed to the human race. Yeah, and I think that is the logical fallacy there is because their advanced their kind will never really understand. Full intense in that because we’re we’re not them, whatever them is, are. But I think what appears to be beloved and activity has has happened based on not only nucular sight probing activities, witness testimony, I think at least we look at it through a humanistic lens. It does appear negative, at least to us. I’ve been told that there have been attempts to bring down craft

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that we’ve acted offensively against nonhuman craft, there have been instances and there are certain techniques have human beings being hurt or killed by a nonhuman intelligence. While I can’t get into the specifics, because that would reveal certain us classified operations. I was briefed by a few individuals on the program that there were malevolent events like that. Now I’m scared. People have just heard you say

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nonhumans

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may will have murdered human beings.

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That seems to be the case and one point Yeah, he say bad things have happened.

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probing the nuclear weapons.

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There’s witness testimony some of this stuff.

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And he say like from a human perspective, yeah, it’s bad stuff there. And we’re gonna talk about the the agreement here soon. But if you believe in the agreements theory about how we’ve made agreements with the aliens to let them abduct humans and conduct Yeah, well, crazy experimentations like Travis Walton

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and and worse yet, the aliens have killed some humans. That’s what he’s claiming. All right. Now what’s interesting is if you look at Dr. Steven Greer, another prominent you apologist we’ve talked about here on the show many times

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he is of a different camp, he says, Look, there’s these forces out here trying to make the aliens seem like these evil baddies that we need to build a monster weapon system.

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He’s like, and it’s all fake news. They’re friendly. Like Casper, the Friendly Ghost.

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And I inlog call me an old school hippie woke stir.

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Granola woke stir, but I want to believe that they’re not mean.

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But I think I think it’s possible there could be good or evil. It’s like angels and demons. Right? That’s what that’s the best perspective. I think that would actually fit with this scenario. could go either way. We don’t have the discernment to know. I don’t know what the answer is.

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But I do see that how there could be. I mean, if you go to this project Bluebeam stuff, this idea that first they got to make a threat so that we create a global

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New World Order. global government thing, right? That’s the big, scary thing that every conspiracy theorist talks about.

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global government. All right.

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Now, I don’t know what it is, here’s my put it to put on my Normie hat. I think,

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why couldn’t it just be like a un thing? We’re all different nations with our different laws, and everyone stays separate.

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But there’s this one element where we all band together to study

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UAPs or whatever.

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Hey, Clay claims that other and again, he’s sort of pumping the fear based narrative. We’re not sort of me saying, yeah, these things kill people is what he’s saying. But he also says, How are our enemy? America’s enemies, Russia and China? They’ve got their own crash retrieval programs, which I’m sure they do. Right. He’s like, look, they’re gonna weaponize the technology. And whoever weaponize the technology. First. It’s a wrap.

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Trying to make it scary, right. And I mean, maybe he’s right. I don’t know. I would, we would be naive to think there aren’t other countries out there that would love nothing more than to put America in its place. Right?

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Then they talk about this idea. You know, Ross did a pretty good job he’s talking about, okay, if these things are advanced, and they’re evil, they’re malevolent.

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Why haven’t they destroyed us yet? Great question. Let’s see what he says. grush has written an internal document about his discoveries, that refers to agreements that risk putting our future in jeopardy. And it’s quite clear that you’re talking about agreements between America

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and non human intelligences. Have we made agreements with non human intelligences?

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That’s the kind of information I really hope national leadership is able to get to the bottom of I need to pin you down on this are the agreements between non human intelligences and the American government? I think that’s a question that I would

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like to know all the details of as well. We do know of at least one agreement among humans that’s worth noting this 1971 agreement between the US and the USSR on measures to reduce the risk of nuclear war, whether or not you believe Dave grush, this document proves the two superpowers were aware that UAP existed, whatever they were, if you look at Article Three of that treaty, it talks about unidentified objects near nuclear facilities or interfering with communications. And that is a treaty that’s has been used from what I understand to notify each other if there’s a concerning event. And that’s a way of saying to the Russians, hey, don’t shoot at us. It’s not us. Yeah, I mean, that’s certainly a concern because of the secrecy it has. There is an environment where you could have almost like a false flag where true, non prosaic, UAP situation could be construed arrived, as you know, a provocation of something from a nation state, we want to de escalate that there’s been an agreement. Oh, my goodness, and grace doesn’t like it one bit. Gets a little fuzzy about it.

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And the TV show the news nation show it points out how there was an agreement in 1971 between the United States and the USSR to reduce nuclear war. I think he’s talking about the START treaty, I could be wrong. But they’re they’re tying into ideas about UFOs or gross says that Article Three in the agreement talks about UFOs being near the nuclear facility because

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they’re supposed to have open communication with each other so that you know, we don’t see a UFO coming near the nuclear facilities. Oh, my God, the Russians No, come quick, and vice versa.

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And he says it right there. He says you could have a false flag.

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Because that’s actual things that happen, not just conspiracy theory.

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They ask him if people have been killed to keep these secrets. He says yeah, probably very X Files ish.

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Then, and this is a top of what we covered on the first episode, news nation.

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they basically looked into grush his character and they said he’s legit. I mean, he’s what he says he is intelligence officer for the US Air Force involved with all these UAP Task Force. They even go down his path to ask if he’s got mental illness or psychosis. He’s like, Nah, bro. They ask him

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what he thinks about all of this just being more disinformation.

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And he claims that he’s been thinking about this for years before filing the whistleblower report.

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And he convinced himself based on the credential people that came to him with the sensitive program documents and I have so many questions at this point, right.

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And I think that George Knapp and Jeremy Kaur, Bell just released an episode of their podcast. I haven’t listened to it yet. I guess they knew this guy, too, for years, I think is what they were saying on the promo. I gotta listen to it yet.

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But

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you know, we’re wrapping up the interview here. And I’m like,

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okay. It’s such a dangerous secret that people are dying.

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Why are people talking about it? Now? Why are all these credentialed people

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going into this one guy? I don’t know how big of a circle these people run in.

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All I can think of is Bill Cooper, who’s who wandered often if he wasn’t the subject of feeding disinformation, so that he would repeat it. He was worried that that was a thing.

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And that’s what I’m thinking about this guy. Maybe he is telling the truth. But maybe it’s part of a higher level SIOP?

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It’s hard to know, right? They ask him stuff like, Well, why hasn’t this leaked before? And he says, there’s a lot of secrets that haven’t come out already.

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But he’s a and then he reiterates the idea that the government disinformation.

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Campaign is what kept the sing in the dark so long because they made it seem like if you came out and talked about this, you were a wacky, tinfoil nutter. Okay.

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What’s the change to push for here? Okay. Because they kind of asked him that stuff. He wants the technology shared, so that the world can benefit from the technology, not just one private corporation or whatever, right. He compares it to nukes. He says, We can share the science of nuclear technology, and not share a blueprint for how to make a nuclear warhead.

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That’s a fair comparison.

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Then he says something that makes makes me question him. He says he’s starting a scientific foundation. glosses over it real quick. I don’t know what I’d like to learn more about this. Okay. That makes me think is this A to the stars Academy cash grab?

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He’s asked what the NHS we’ll think of all this.

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And he makes the good point that NH eyes have seen us do a whole lot of awful stuff. If aliens are watching the human race, they’ve seen it all man.

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They seen the all the nasty little reality shows and all the nasty little things we’ve done to each other. So he makes a claim. He says apparently they’re neutral on us having our own freewill.

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Except for when it comes to the nukes. I think that’s where they draw the line. Apparently, that’s what they say.

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And, and they wrap it up. And he’s kind of like, look, I don’t think that this is going to be a utopia solution.

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But what he’s saying does support the idea of putting it into a perspective

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of us all.

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Because he does mention this right? He’s a makes us all gives us perspective to say look,

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we’re all one human race, okay. And maybe that would make the world a better place if people stopped seeing all this division of us versus them when it’s like, no, we’re all in this together, man. All these different countries, we all have something in common. And you would think that just naturally, that’s how human beings would be but we’re not. So you introduced an enemy. Okay.

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Now we’ve got to wrap up show. I watched the Wrap Up Show. And apparently the Congress says they’re going to have a hearing about this whistleblower in this topic. So that’s good to hear. Then Ross, himself has interviewed

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probably has been researched researching this topic for years. He believes grush he was introduced by grush to brush by people who are part of all these programs that he knew.

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So he believes in this crash retrieval program.

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Ross commends America’s constitution he’s in Australia by the way

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And he supports this idea of revelation to the public. But then there’s people holding back. He calls out the Gang of Eight, which is basically all the ranking people of the, of the Congress and intelligence. They get briefed from the president is sort of an accountability thing so that the President just doesn’t have all the secrets.

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Wikipedia told me that George W. Bush’s warrantless surveillance of American citizens was briefed to the Gang of Eight. Right. And they never told anyone. So it’s like, the elite little secret club, right?

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Lesley King, she went on record saying she’s heard this same exact story that Greta has been talking about. So all these these were people all plugged into all these insiders. Okay.

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As the King of course, the New York Times reported that broke the 2017 story that was confirmed in 2020 by the Pentagon.

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They talk about the secret program funded by taxpayers and how it’s been kept secret from the Congress.

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Of course, you already know that is what he says in the interview.

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But he says that all these oversight committees are supposed to know these things and when they’re not

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even the presidents have been denied briefings on these crash retrieval programs.

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And how the programs refer to the sitting president as a temporary employee

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you know, rah says I got some arrogant nonsense, right?

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My beef that I had with grush they asked him how many of these crashed objects are there and he’s like quite a number and I’m like, that’s a pretty vague stupid response right?

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Well, apparently Chris doesn’t want to reveal the exact number because he’s concerned that our adversaries could use that information fair alright.

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And Ross points out how this there’s this been this secret cold war between Russia China and us to see who can master the technology first. That’s apparently what’s going on.

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According to him

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then they you know, they pull out some the pilots from the tic tac from the Nimitz they pull out skeptics like make make West who says it’s all fake news says Gross is gross isn’t like he’s in the camp that I suggested like grush isn’t lying. But it could very well still not be true.

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Michael Shellenberger is interviewed, and he heard a similar story, claiming that there are in fact over 12 craft and possession.

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Then they talk about the Las Vegas story. Yeah, I wanted to hit on that real quick. I don’t know if you’ve seen it.

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A blew up a couple days after it happened.

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But in Las Vegas, have family called the police because an object crashed in their backyard and they stole 10 foot aliens.

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And

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this crashing object from the sky was in fact captured on body cameras. police body cameras.

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The family says they saw the men and black show up the family has video I critique so why didn’t they get a phone? Of course they got a phone and they did in fact, record it you can find the recordings on assault on Tik Tok.

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Is it the clearest footage know what it was nighttime. Can you clearly see aliens? No, but there’s lots of theories and people claiming that you can.

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I mean, it’s some of the some of the videos are fairly believable. Like I was like Danna doesn’t like an alien. But you can’t really tell it. What’s really interesting is that the police, they actually showed up to the house with the body cams to go in the backyard to investigate. They won’t release that footage because of the privacy of their backyard. Doesn’t make any sense.

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But the Las Vegas thing is fascinating. So I’m glad to see that they released the family released videos.

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But they’re not very conclusive. But they say you can look you can see, so take a look for that. Now in conclusion, let’s wrap it up.

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First, I thought this was slightly odd this news nation channel breaking the story. I looked it up apparently this has been around since the 70s. Maybe I’m just clueless. But I had never heard of news nation and neither did a lot of people. A lot of people said Where am I supposed to watch the interview as I don’t even know. I’d look it up.

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Luckily, on my old school cable box, I was able to find the channel.

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And in fact group said he’s not being paid by news nation. So that’s reassuring.

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But ultimately, I always think like why didn’t you break this to CNN or Fox News or, or New York Times like it’s interestingly we sit down with news nation

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But maybe it’s because of Ross because Ross is plugged into the UFO community. So I don’t know.

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Let’s talk about the agreement. All right.

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The agreement that he talks about how the American government has an agreement with the aliens This is an old school UFO conspiracy theory. I myself first read about it and behold a pale horse Bill Cooper mentions the majestic 12. That’s the name of the group, as supposedly has this agreement with aliens.

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If you go to Wikipedia, I’m gonna read you from Wikipedia. Cooper, then claimed that Eisenhower had established an inner because Eisenhower set up the agreement right.

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It claims that Eisenhower had established an inner circle of Illuminati to manage relations with the aliens and keep their presence a secret from the general public. Cooper believed that aliens manipulated and or ruled the human race through various secret societies, religions, magic, witchcraft and the occult. And that even the Illuminati themselves were unknowingly being manipulated by them.

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Now, I wonder if he didn’t get that idea from the Book of Enoch, which I am going to do a show one of these days. I just need the world to calm down for just a second, so I can focus and get it knocked out. I’m almost done with it.

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Same with my Hoover Dam, part three, I bought the book about this $120 book from the architect,

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Oscar Jaeger, and I’m going to tell you what’s in it.

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Now the big to the President’s behind the golden age of UF ology here, we’re talking Harry Truman and Dwight Eisenhower 1945 to 1961. Back when new flows were super hot, which oh, by the way on Twin Peaks, which, if you’re not following, the sheriff’s name is Harry Truman. I believe it’s related to the alien technology stuff.

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Now the National Archives, apparently they posted some documents related to these presidents and their UFO stuff. And this is where it gets fuzzy because allegedly,

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there was a document in Truman’s library that had this September 1947 memo.

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Of course, just a couple of months after Roswell, signed by Truman directing the Secretary of Defense James forestall, to create operation majestic 12, to dig into Roswell. And apparently this document doesn’t exist. It’s not there never was blah, blah, blah, right.

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And this is where Bill Cooper, and some others have claimed there’s the origin of this whole thing is there’s an actual document out there. There’s a look alike document, but people say that’s not legitimate. That’s a fake.

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Whatever.

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Now, Eisenhower, allegedly, while he was president, he would go to Edwards Air Force Base to look at aliens, look at the craft, have meetings with them negotiate the agreement terms. And this claim came about from a prominent UFO apologist, Tim good. A legend wrote many alien books way back in the 80s and such.

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Apparently, part of he’s part of the original mj 12. Theorists right? He said that Eisenhower had three meetings

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with extraterrestrials in New Mexico and Holloman Air Force Base, which is basically White Sands, New Mexico, a massive area that contains the Trinity site where they first tested the atomic bomb again, Twin Peaks, and Alamogordo and all this stuff. Now I saw his so his granddaughter, Laura Eisenhower, she does a show. She’s got a huge YouTube channel.

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And she’s had guest Marissa on air shout out to Marissa, aka Chela, we had her on here a couple years ago.

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Laura Eisenhower believed this to be true. That’s his own granddaughter. She seems like good people.

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But the claim means that we have exchanged we’ve made an agreement and the agreement this is where it gets even fuzzier. The agreement is that the aliens will give us technology in exchange for their ability to abduct humans and conduct experiments because they’re interested in our DNA as the building block of I don’t know, life forms.

Unknown Speaker 44:34
But again, all these documents alleged to be complete bogus nonsense. I don’t know. Who knows what’s real anymore right.

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Now Ross went on another interview. I retweeted the clip. Apparently groceries home since this. Not the interview aired but since this started getting popular, it’s almost broken into

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And he’s been under surveillance and being harassed and all this stuff.

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And that was his complaint with the whistleblower thing was saying like, Hey, I’m getting harassed. So I got to blow the whistle.

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Another topic we, we didn’t really get into but the Vatican apparently knows more about UFOs. This is mentioned on the interview.

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But only on a need to know basis. He says there’s a red flag about how there’s a Vatican astronomer was saying that Christianity is not necessarily unaware of aliens, right? And if you listen to I interviewed Dinah basalt a couple of years ago and 2020.

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But

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she, in her book goes to research the Vatican archives with Tyler Wright, with the idea that some of the saints have maybe parallels in common with

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alien visitation or phenomenon. Ie Lady of Fatima. Okay.

Unknown Speaker 46:06
So it’s all very interesting. And recall that in the first part of this grish, the last week show, we talked about how Italy is where that 1933 crash happened, where Fermi who figured out the nuclear science may have got the technology, I don’t know.

Unknown Speaker 46:22
So lots of I mean, again, that’s a massive rock to look under there when we start talking about the Vatican.

Unknown Speaker 46:31
And oh, by the way, I heard that Ross is friends with Diana Pustaka as well, small world. Okay.

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Now, in conclusion, in conclusion, I’m not opposed to the idea that this is going to be a whole thing, this whole whistleblower thing, let’s look into it, I’m not opposed to it.

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If I put on my very skeptical conspiracy hat, I start thinking of Project Blue Beam, I start thinking of the timing, being very absurd. Just so happens after all these massive disclosures since 2020, all of a sudden, now we find about, we have a whistleblower talking about these crash retrieval programs going way back 80 years.

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seems a little strange, right.

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And it’s almost like, maybe the powers that be wants his message out there. And that’s why they spoon fed the information to him. And he’s revealing it to the public. Because there’s a way that they can control the message a little bit, whereas Bob Lazar, who had a very similar message, he was too much of independent agent, maybe he was too much of a free bird. And I we can’t have we got to discredit this guy.

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Whereas this grip guy, maybe he’s more of a team player. Apparently he is because he’s out here saying like, Look, I can’t tell you the specifics. Because he’s an American first kind of guy. And you know, I’m a pretty patriotic guy, too. So I get that.

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But it does leave a lot of strange questions, right.

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And the final takeaway for me, I think it’s very fascinating how this seems to be the first credible, I don’t know witness, whatever you want to call it.

Unknown Speaker 48:10
That tied it into quantum physics, because that’s exactly the point I’m trying to get across. In my two alien books, the quantum physics angle, it’s there. I think they know more about it. I think it ties into the realm of the occult.

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